Thanks a lot for taking the time to enlighten me, guys -- Steven, George, Bill (and anybody who shows up in my next digest, too). Your generosity with your time and energy is so *typical* of Apple/Mac users !! Let me return the favor by giving you a lot of background you didn't ask for on my personal computer hiStory so you'll understand why I'm lurking on an Apple2list and didn't know what the "real" Appleworks was. My first computer was a 512k IBM 5550 PC "work station" (created, as far as I know, for the Japanese market by IBM Japan) which I bought when I started my business in 1984 (quite a large number of years after high school : -<). I learned just enough to do a few basic MS-DOS operations and become quite proficient at WordStar (some of you probably remember that one...) for my English word processing needs, and the Japanese word processor program that ran on the same machine for my Japanese needs. The Japanese wordprocessor application booted independently rather than in MS-DOS, as a sort of combined OS/application. I got the Japanese word processor app -- quite a powerful one on which I managed to create some simple but acceptable graphics -- because it was based on the IBM Displaywriter (English wordprocessor system) with which I was familiar from using it at work. I.e., I was able to learn to use the Japanese word processor without having to learn a whole new set of operations in Japanese. I sent my wife off to school to learn Excel, so she could use it for bookkeeping, but I never got around to learning it myself. I didn't *graduate* to Mac until I bought my IIfx in late 1990. (I was looking at a Canon dedicated DTP machine when the computers in the Apple corner of the Canon OA shop caught my eye and the result, of course, was inevitable.) The word processors I got for the Mac were MacWrite-J for my Japanese needs and Microsoft Word 4 for English. I could be wrong about this, but I don't think the "real" Appleworks was ever sold in Japan (or maybe that's just my excuse for not knowing about it ;-). I went through upgrades to Word through 5.1 but was scared off by the horror stories of Word 6 so I took that opportunity to "sidegrade" to ClarisWorks 3 with a free upgrade to CW4 (if I remember right) and never looked back. With WorldScript, I was able to do both Japanese and English on ClarisWorks and had no more need for either MSW or MacWrite. What I gave up in power in Word (primarily formatting, in my case) was more than compensated by CW's light footprint -- I carry a PowerBook with me almost everywhere I go on business -- and integration of functions. I did continue to use Word for a while for English work (mostly opening files I had created in CW and then formatting them in Word) because its style sheets at that time used to interface so smoothly with PageMaker, which is a mainstay of my work software. Also, now that Microshaft has successfully destroyed or buggered almost all compatibility between Word (second only to its Japanese imitation, "Ichitaro", as the de facto standard for file formats in Japan) and other programs -- even RTF doesn't work right anymore! -- I just recently bought an upgrade to Japanese Word:Mac 2001, but I probably won't be able to muster up the incentive to take it out of the box until the next time somebody sends me a file created in Word that won't open in any other program (quite common for me recently). I like to tell people stories about how "intuitive" the Mac was (well, "is", but anybody who started out on Windoze never realizes what computing would have been like before the introduction of the Apple/Mac OS) when I bought the IIfx. I bought the IIfx in late December, the Canon OA Shop delivered it on December 21 and had it set up by that afternoon. I of course immediately sat down to learn the system -- in Japanese -- so I could begin my first project on the Mac. On the afternoon of December 23, I mailed the completed project to the client from Narita Airport on my way to the US for Christmas. In other words, within approximately 36 hours, along with packing for a trip to the States and getting a few hours of sleep I had learned the Mac OS from scratch in Japanese (including a very complicated Japanese input method), learned the MacWrite software, completed the multi-page project, which included about equal amounts of English and Japanese, and made the 6-hour trip to the airport. I challenge *anyone* to match that feat on a Windoze platform!!! For a few months before and a few years after I got the IIfx I read MacUser pretty much cover to cover every month, and MacWorld quite regularly so I was well on my way to becoming a "power user". Now, sadly, the Mac technology has far outgrown -- or maybe outpaced -- me. These days I am doing my work on two PowerBook Wallstreets while my IIfx sits patiently waiting for me to do something about its dead or critically wounded internal hard disk, the LC II somebody gave me from their warehouse sits waiting for me to try to boot it up for the first time, and my PB 165c is waiting to have an older OS installed on it after having half its memory removed. That's all way more than you probably wanted to know, but since I made my appearance on this list "through the back door" I thought I would properly introduce myself before going back to lurking, just in case I ever have anything to contribute. Thanks again for your patience. Cheers, Rodney (in Hayama, Japan) At 15:30 -0400 2001/09/12 in apple2list Digest #123, Apple2list wrote: >Apple2list Digest #123 > 1. Re: parenthesis vs minus sign > 2. Appleworks vs ClarisWorks vs AppleWorks <-- (was "Re: >parenthesis vs minus sign" > 3. Re: Appleworks vs ClarisWorks vs AppleWorks <-- (was "Re: > parenthesis vs minus s > 4. Re: Appleworks vs ClarisWorks vs AppleWorks <-- (was "Re: >parenthesis vs minus > 5. Re: Appleworks vs ClarisWorks vs AppleWorks <-- (was "Re: > parenthesis vs minus s >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Rodney A. Hoiseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > >Could somebody please set me straight. What's the difference between >AppleWorks, ClarisWorks, and AppleWorks (or maybe I should say "... >between apples and oranges..." ;-) ? > >Thanks a lot and best regards, >Rodney >(eating humble pie in Hayama, Japan) > >------------------------------ > >Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Anyways, Claris had originally owned Appleworks V3.0 (Claris was the >original creator of Appleworks). I believe Claris abandoned Appleworks by >version 4.0, now owned by Quality Computers. Claris went on (with the >creators of TimeOut, I believe), to create the version we use for our Macs. >By the time version 5.0 of this came out, Apple (again, original creator of >the classic), took over ClarisWorks. Apple decided that no one is using the >classic version anymore, so they renamed ClarisWorks to AppleWorks. > >Steven > >------------------------------ > >"George Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >This is very rough history. Appleworks for the Apple II came out in 1984. it >went through version 1 in 1984-1985, version 2 around 1987, and version 3 in >1989. It was sold in version 3 up till 1993 or 1994. In 1993 or 1994, a >company in Michigan licensed the code and name for the Apple II Appleworks >and improved it. Version 4 of Appleworks for the Apple II came out in 1994 >and version 5 then 5.1 (Appleworks for the Apple II) came out in 1995 or >1996. The company in Michigan (Quality Computers) sold Appleworks 5.1 for >the Apple II in 1998 till Apple revoked their license to use the name. See >the AppleWorks section after the ClarisWorks section. > > >George Crawford >------------------------------ > >Bill Henning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote >The present Mac version of Appleworks started as Appleworks GS written for >the Apple IIgs. -- Apple2list is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac> \ Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> Apple2list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/apple2.html> Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/apple2list%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Macintosh? 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