All that discussion is fun, but we should be careful to stay within the 
respective group charters.

As far as AQM is concerned, the question is whether the group wants to 
standardize some kind of special handling of TCP ACK as part of queue 
management. As far as the IETF rules are concerned, the answer is clearly NO -- 
we cannot create an IETF recommendation that breaks other IETF recommendations. 
Besides, such rules would not be very effective if the transport protocol is 
encrypted, as for example QUIC, or SCTP over DTLS. AQM should certainly not 
depend on end-systems not using encryption.

As for TCP and other protocols, the question is whether they should pay more 
attention to the volume of ACK and other control packets. The deployment of 
queue management systems like FQ-CODEL actually creates an incentive to do 
that, because a transport protocol that creates congestion on its uplink will 
be automatically penalized. But that discussion belongs in TCPM and other 
transport working groups, not AQM.

-- Christian Huitema





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