arachne-digest Wednesday, January 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2002
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:36:18 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ..is JAVAPC from legacy to http://cjos.sourceforge.net? On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:36:37 -0300, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <snip> > **The good: to hear about the existence of a JVM for DOS :-) > Python is a cross-platform language that can be used within DOS with > same-style bytecode interpreter as Java does (even using JPython for > being used within Java) > I wonder why there isn't any JVM for DOS easily available for download? I wonder if anyone can show us any *** usefull and needed *** JAVA apps ( ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^) which would make it desirable to include any kind of JAVA support in some future version of Arachne. - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:46:18 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: bootmanager sbminst.exe :-(( On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:19:49 -0500, Sojun Sunborn wrote: > Interesting, I have installed "sbm" on three computers without problems. The > only problem that I have found is that sbm might not boot older FreeDOS > kernels. I thought the FreeDOS problem was isolated to my computer because > the next build of FreeDOS I downloaded worked perfectly. Sometimes you get > what you pay for though. > You should email the creator(s) of this package, something like that > shouldn't happen. +oot older FreeDOS This is what it just now did to the diskette in drive a: - ---- before installing ---- - --a--- 141 8-31-02 6:15p a:\autoexec.hid - --a--- 1,174 1-31-02 5:41p a:\b-l-save.gz - --a--- 131 8-31-02 6:15p a:\dosstart.hid - --a--- 22,528 8-17-02 6:01p a:\fix_sirc.com - --a--- 120 2-03-02 6:44p a:\fstab - --a--- 180,384 5-31-00 8:22p a:\gdisk.exe - --a--- 184,116 8-31-02 6:21p a:\hide-lin.exe - --a--- 4,114 12-19-02 4:52p a:\indosbox.txt - --a--- 192 8-31-02 5:32p a:\install.bat - --a--- 17,393 12-20-02 12:05a a:\mime.cfg - --a--- 46 3-15-93 1:40a a:\reboot.com - ------ 6,665 8-06-96 3:02p a:\watchmin.exe - ------ 2,996 5-26-02 4:03p a:\wwwman.com - --a--- 27,664 12-23-02 7:01p a:\wwwman.exe - --a--- 183,590 6-21-02 11:01p a:\spinrite\spinrite.exe - --a--- 6,931 11-21-99 5:31p a:\spinrite\spinrite.txt total files 16 total bytes 638,185 disk free space 804,864 ________________ - --- after installing --- r----- 28,388,132 2-04-85 5:24p a:\� �cc�.� rs--h- 614,514,830 10-16-60 15:36p a:\��<~u��.�� rs--h- 2,250,148,356 8-30-47 5:16p a:\��� ����.�� - --a--- 2,331,989,480 4-02-60 4:41p a:\���h�m��.�� - ----h- 2,189,559,338 0-30-60 2:38p a:\���� ��.�6� - ----h- 4,269,966,134 0-30-47 5:23p a:\(�����.�� rs---- 2,200,865,280 7-30-79 4:20p a:\��.���.��� rsa-h- 4,152,820,674 4-00-79 11:23a a:\�8�v�z��.8�v r----- 1,970,555,648 2-19-38 12:01a a:\� � - ------ 1,958,742,016 8-28-87 1:41a a:\= - -s--h- 636,060,296 4-14-45 2:48a a:\�)�;��.v+ r---h- 4,274,598,225 8-09-98 3:51a a:\� a� �.��+ - ------ 422,257,926 9-04-01 12:54a a:\�&�v - ------ 1,252,140,587 6-13-88 12:61a a:\� total files 14 total bytes 2,782,803,146 disk free space 736,256 _____________ - --- after uninstalling --- - --a--- 141 8-31-02 6:15p a:\autoexec.hid - --a--- 1,174 1-31-02 5:41p a:\b-l-save.gz - --a--- 131 8-31-02 6:15p a:\dosstart.hid - --a--- 22,528 8-17-02 6:01p a:\fix_sirc.com - --a--- 120 2-03-02 6:44p a:\fstab - --a--- 180,384 5-31-00 8:22p a:\gdisk.exe - --a--- 184,116 8-31-02 6:21p a:\hide-lin.exe - --a--- 4,114 12-19-02 4:52p a:\indosbox.txt - --a--- 192 8-31-02 5:32p a:\install.bat - --a--- 17,393 12-20-02 12:05a a:\mime.cfg - --a--- 46 3-15-93 1:40a a:\reboot.com - ------ 6,665 8-06-96 3:02p a:\watchmin.exe - ------ 2,996 5-26-02 4:03p a:\wwwman.com - --a--- 27,664 12-23-02 7:01p a:\wwwman.exe - --a--- 183,590 6-21-02 11:01p a:\spinrite\spinrite.exe - --a--- 6,931 11-21-99 5:31p a:\spinrite\spinrite.txt total files 16 total bytes 638,185 disk free space 804,864 __________________________ Thanks, but no thanks. I can do without it. - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:21:20 -0500 (EST) From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?") On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Ron Clarke wrote: > As an example: > http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4838549.htm > did not display the story text, although WizLynx was able to show it, so > it isn't javascript per se in this instance. Nope, it's not JS, since it displays fine in lynx, links, and dillo. I'm not sure why Arachne can't display it. - -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:34:19 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: External use of Insight On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:28:54 +0200, Or Botton wrote: > A pretty silly question, but... > How do I get insight to pull all the mail in my POP3 mailbox without having to > load Arachne first? I'd like to do it by command line or batch file instead. > (Tried to figure it out by myself, gave up after 15 minutes. Either i'm > loosing my "touch" or I just got lazy. :P ... I think its probebly being > lazy. ) Insight.exe does not do the mail downloads or uploads. Core.exe does both Pop3 and SMTP. Core.exe does these tasks..... 1) Pop3 download 2) SMTP upload 3) create the TBS (To Be Sent), outgoing massages _____________________________ d9xt! Insight does these tasks.... 1) convert mail messages from plain text to HTML 2) convert the directory listing of inbox, outbox, etc... to HTML 3) move mail messages from one 'folder' to another. 4) delete messages (or move to trash folder) 5) 'detatch' any attached files 6) attach files to the TBS created by core.exe _____________________________________________________ - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:43:41 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: WWWMAN bug Thank you, thank you, thank you !!!! It works PERFECTLY !!! Please, Everyone with the W9x 'your computer' lockup problem grab the fixed version of wwwman.exe and run it through the paces. http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/wwwman.htm On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:41:09 +0100, Michal H. Tyc wrote: > Hi Glenn, Hi all, > On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:42:29 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >> mov si,sp; >> int 0x25; >> cli;mov sp,si;sti; >> pushf; >> lea si,boot;add si,0x1f0;sub al,al; >> popf;jc q; >> Now..... how do we re-write this section of drvtypes.cpp so that >> we CAN look for stacker drives WITHOUT locking-up the machine ???? > I suggest just a small change: > push bp; // I didn't test whether MS-DOS 7.10 trashes bp... > int 0x25; // read logical sector > pop si; // throw away the flags saved by INT > pop bp; // bp points to the local variables on the stack > lea si, [boot + 0x1f0]; // this doesn't modify any flags > sub al, al; // al = 0 > jc q; // an error occured during int 0x25 > I haven't tested the above code yet, but it should work. > Greetings, > Michal - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:03:25 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?") On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:21:20 -0500 (EST), Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Ron Clarke wrote: >> As an example: >> http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4838549.htm >> did not display the story text, although WizLynx was able to show it, so >> it isn't javascript per se in this instance. > Nope, it's not JS, since it displays fine in lynx, links, > and dillo. I'm not sure why Arachne can't display it. Clipped from the above page..... <body bgcolor="#000000" onload="init();" topmargin="2" leftmargin="2" marginwidth="2" marginheight="2"> Notice what's missing ??? text="what_color" Without a textcolor defined, Arachne uses white by default. We can't see the text because the particular cell within the table containing this text has a background color which is also white. <TD ROWSPAN="2" VALIGN="top" BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF"> I will look into fixing this for the next version. - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:50:16 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Testing latest Arachne On 31 Dec 02 at 4:27, owner-arachne-digest@arachne wrote: >should kill all xSwap errors. There is still one small problem with CSS on >pages with frames, CSS mouseover effects are rendered from left upper corner >of the screen, not from left upper corner of the frame. Https to http > >Regards Joerg Yes, and if a marked text (link) is wrapped to the next row it is not rendered at all. These are known bugs of beginning css implementation. But if somebody (Glenn) knows how to fix them... Regards Christof Lange _______________________________________________ Christof Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Prokopova 4, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic phone: (+420) 222 78 06 73 / 222 78 20 02 http://www.volny.cz/cce.zizkov ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:10:08 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: External use of Insight On 31 Dec 02 at 4:27, owner-arachne-digest@arachne wrote: >Reply to Sender: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply to List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >At 2002-12-29, 20:27:00 Joerg Dietze wrote: >>pop3 is done by core.exe. > >And thats the problem, I guess. I was trying to use insight without Arachne, >since I cant load CORE due to conventional memory problems. (need to get the >mail downloaded into CNM files while loads of drivers are working in the >background). > >Allready went trough the insight help... guess i'll have to look for another >method. I have been using several mail transport agents under DOS. But always returned to core.exe, Arachne is the best one. smtpop12 (and older versions) fdsmtpop tcpmail (probably best) ukappp (no idea which of the 163 files actually does the job) Download sites should be easy to find through Google. Look at Dev's "Interesting DOS programs" first. BTW: Arachne would give a marvellous mail transport agent if she were not so bloated with http and html stuff: Authors obviously thought that users need a www browser and a GUI ;) Or that internet software should be useable as database server as well ;)) Christof Lange _______________________________________________ Christof Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Prokopova 4, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic phone: (+420) 222 78 06 73 / 222 78 20 02 http://www.volny.cz/cce.zizkov ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:28:21 +0100 From: "Michal H. Tyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: WWWMAN bug On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:43:41 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > Thank you, thank you, thank you !!!! Too many thanks for such a small detail! ;-) > It works PERFECTLY !!! Great. But I'm not sure whether this Stacker detection method is the best possible. Does it work with all versions, or only with Stacker 4? Unfortunately, I don't use Stacker (of course I can install Stacker 3 bundled with my DR-DOS, if it is needed). After studying RBIL, I think that INT 21h/AX=4404h could serve as a better Stacker test. Does anyone on the list use Stacker? Greetings, Michal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:30:09 +0100 From: flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?") > I just tried to get myself a new web counter, at > www.textcounter.org, and when the code arrived, it was written in > JavaScript. Arachne couldn't see it (and so it is absolutely no use to > me because I only ever use Arachne), and I assume that Arachne would not > be able to communicate fully back to the counter script. There are two ways...one with and one without javascript. bye, flox - -- Florian Xaver http://www.drdos.org unofficial dr-dos site http://www.flox.at.tf/ dos page - ogg/mp3 page for dos kurt ostbahn & die kombo page ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:43:07 +0200 From: "Cristian Burneci" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: New WWWMAN and Stacker 3 Hello there Tested new WWWMAN ! Win 98 bare DOS fine Win 98 DOS box fine DRDOS 7.03+Stacker 3.12 fine Above OS WIN 3.11 DOS box fine Nice job you two there. Congratulations! And a Happy New Year for all the people on this list Cristian - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser for DOS- http://arachne.cz/ - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?") On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > Without a textcolor defined, Arachne uses white by default. > > We can't see the text because the particular cell within the table > containing this text has a background color which is also white. > > <TD ROWSPAN="2" VALIGN="top" BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF"> > > I will look into fixing this for the next version. If textcolor not exist then textcolor == (bgcolor - 888888) ? Ok, so my pseudocode semantics might not be the greatest, but I would think that should do the trick... it works on the limited number of colors I just tried, anyway... or would it be easier to EOR the background color? - -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:48:53 -0500 (EST) From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: What's important for Arachne's future? On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Richard Menedetter wrote: > 26 Dec 2002, "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BF> The only feature my friends like of Arachne is the fact that I never > BF> caught me a virus, some worm or any other nasty internet/e-mail > BF> animal. > hmmm ... as long as OS != Windows this is no problem Mac version of OE has also had some minor vulnerabilities to certain of the Word Macros, etc. > BF> WORD documents > Shoot anybody sending you word stuff. I was rather dismayed today when I discovered this: $ file Huehue_label.sdw Huehue_label.sdw: Microsoft Office Document Argh! Star Office document type is seen as M$ Office ?!?!? > BF> For internet banking and things like that I have to use windows based > BF> software supplied by the bank. > Change the bank. > My bank uses only standards conpatible stuff. I can do my banking via Netscape 4.79 or Mozilla 1.0, though I can actually even transfer funds from paypal to the bank using NS 3.04. Until last night (I thought) I had to do UPS shipping label printing via Netscape 4.79. Last time I tried Mozilla, I got an error message that I was using an usupported browser. This e-mail prompted me to try Mozilla again, and UPS has become Mozilla friendly in the meantime. :-) I have still never found a single thing for which I "need" Windows... - -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:53:47 +00 From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Again: bootmanager sbminst.exe :-(( hi List, A week ago I mentioned no succes in installing the smart boot manager from XOSL. I got the full program including the manual... read it and tried again. :-( results were different but not good: ******************** Critical ERROR: Unable to load XOSL image. - -- XOSL Bypass -- Enter XOSL password: ******************** No mention at all of a password in the manual I tried several passwords... but :-( ****************************************************************** Tried also "Boot it Next Generation"... %^&$#%$@ Many hours down the drain... an still just one OS on this machine. (DOS + Win95 combination) Regards, Bastiaan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:48:26 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: External use of Insight On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:10:08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > BTW: Arachne would give a marvellous mail transport agent if she > were not so bloated with http and html stuff: Authors obviously > thought that users need a www browser and a GUI ;) Or that internet > software should be useable as database server as well ;)) > > Christof Lange > Yes, yes. I was thinking a similar thing. Arachne would make a great database server, if only it wasn't so bloated with all that communications stuff. And then there's the people who use it as a DOS desktop menu ... There are spiders all over the world, and every one of them spins a unique web. (And Michael is sitting back, smiling. Freedom is a wonderful thing). Happy New Year to all. Bob - - ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:48:55 From: Alejandro Lieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: External use of Insight On 31 Dec 02 at 9:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have been using several mail transport agents under DOS. But > always returned to core.exe, Arachne is the best one. > > smtpop12 (and older versions) > fdsmtpop > tcpmail (probably best) > ukappp (no idea which of the 163 files actually does the job) > With UKA_PPP do: a) For pop3: tcpport.exe pop3.mail.domain 110 x_popn.exe user:password b) For smtp: tcpport.exe smtp.mail.domain 25 x_mailn.exe Both x_*.exe are written in QuickBasic and work very well in this 80286. Happy new year to all the list. Free good Sans Serif fonts for MS-DOS at: ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/graphics/novafo01.zip http://www.simtel.net/pub/msdos/graphics/novafo01.zip - ---------------------- Ing. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina lima[at]citynet.net.ar - ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:30:23 +00 From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Ara 171 Lite Hi Kali I realy don't know anymore... this is becoming quite confusing! 1.71UE has been altered several times and they are not at Arachne home-page. The first 1.71UE version I downloaded was stored on floppy and installed. Later on wwwman.exe was altered, which I downloaded separately. Also printing has been altered => new release Perhaps Glenn will make summary of the releases and where to find them. Wishing you all a very fine 2003 and a bright future to Arachne. Bastiaan On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:00:39 +0010, Keith McLaughlin wrote: > On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:34:08 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: >> I just installed Arachne 171 Lite edition... > Dear Bastian: > I know someone on the list answered this question already, but where can > I go to download arachne 1.71? > I am on Dads computer and cant go through my folders. I am > veryinterested in the direction Arachne is moving in dealing with https > and javascript problems. > Regards > Kali > This is written by Kali on the computer of Keith Mclaughlin at Bays Hill > Taree. to "reply to" please address email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #2002 ******************************
