arachne-digest Tuesday, December 31 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2001
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:50:43 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: What's important for Arachne's future?
Hi Bastiaan!
26 Dec 2002, "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BF> Old computer users laugh at you... DOS is very obsolete to them
this is true ... isn't it ?
BF> Just a handfull of experienced users are using DOS...
Hmmm ... IMNSHO experienced users with 486+ are too limited by DOS to use it.
The only market I see are old computers -486 and die hard DOS users who started
long ago, and are too lazy to use a real OS instead of a boot loader.
BF> The only feature my friends like of Arachne is the fact that I never
BF> caught me a virus, some worm or any other nasty internet/e-mail
BF> animal.
hmmm ... as long as OS != Windows this is no problem
BF> So would it be possible to have two or more operating systems
BF> installed on one computer?
sure
BF> And if possible... how to do this?
install the other OS than install windows in another partition.
NT/XP comes with its own bootloader (which happily loads linux or any other OS
if told in the boot.sys file or what it is called)
BF> WORD documents
Shoot anybody sending you word stuff.
BF> For internet banking and things like that I have to use windows based
BF> software supplied by the bank.
Change the bank.
My bank uses only standards conpatible stuff.
SSL and in times of the idiotic 40 bit crypto limitation a JAVA applet that did
its own crypto before the ridicuolous 40 bit SSL crypto.
Worked and works well with any OS supporting a SSL enabled browser.
BF> CU all... Bastiaan
BF> X-mas day: the only one day of the year without agressive language of
BF> George W. Bush
I hope everyday were christmas !
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:58:43 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
Hi G!
26 Dec 2002, "G J Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
GF> 1. Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
GF> the same way .JPGs, etc are handled.
this is not possible.
JS mainly alters browser specific stuff.
This is not possible from outside the browser.
And IMHO arachne has already veeeeeeeeeeery limited JS support built into her.
GF> 2. SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
GF> the same way as .JPGs, etc.
I vote for being built into.
Shelling out is MISERABLY slow.
Why even further reduce her speed ?
I would like to see a port of the source which is GCC compatible (gcc and
djgpp) and uses a non proprietary open output library.
One could than make smaller executables, which for example have no SSL support,
but are smaller.
GF> ......gregy
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:27:40 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: Why can't you simply do FTP instead of doing "browser upload"?
Hi Bastiaan!
24 Dec 2002, "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BF> Until a year ago my provider behaved likewise and only HTTP upload was
BF> possible. HTTP upload could not be done with Arachne since you had
BF> first to call a special page with a lot of WIZARDS... java script and
BF> all that nonsens.
HTTP upload can be used without any Javascript or anything.
BF> Until a year ago they made FTP possible and FTP is much faster, no
BF> bload at all...
FTP upload and HTTP upload do the same on a network view.
They send data over a socket.
If one is faster than the other than there is a serious quirk on either the
server or the client ... or both :)
BF> and files are smaller. HTTP is a 7 bit system
nope
BF> FTP is fast and uncomplicated
as fast as anything else.
And FTP is farest away from being uncomplicated.
It is a HUGE mess on the protocol level, and inherently insecure.
BF> Regards, Bastiaan
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:39:33 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: arachne-digest V1 #1993
Hi Roger!
24 Dec 2002, Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
RT> Edge Model D (~1986) used long file names and the same technique that
RT> M$ uses, the alias file.
M$ doesn't use an alias file. (4dos does)
M$ uses something much worse ... it stores the filenames as many name entries
and gives them nonsens attributes. (dir and label or somthing)
RT> It seems to me that M$'s LFN is a hoax --- it looks at the LFN, goes
RT> to the alias file and finds what 8.3 file name really is used to
RT> access the file.
no ...
actually there is "real" LFN support. (with an idiotic way to store them)
the short names are only needed for programs which are not ready to process the
long ones.
So it is a backwards compatibility measure.
RT> Roger Turk
RT> Tucson, Arizona
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:48:00 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: What's important for Arachne's future?
Hi Sam!
26 Dec 2002, "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
SE> I don't use Windows myself-- although I may start any day now because
SE> of Javascript and secure transactions on the web.
Sam ... you know that there are many OSes which support programs which support
JS and SSL ??
So why starting Windows ?
SE> Sam Ewalt
SE> Croswell, Michigan, USA
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:12:15 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: now, DOS is JAVA
Hi Bastiaan!
27 Dec 2002, "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BF> We had a discussion on the List, some time ago, and if I recall
BF> correctly JAVA is totaly different to java-script.
yes
BF> Yes, it was mentioned that JAVA is running in every operating
BF> system...
No ...
Java runs on every OS where a JAVA virtual machine program can run.
Java can be seen as "assembly of a virtual processor", and this virtual
processor is emulated by the JVM.
So JVM takes a java binary, and "converts" it to the local machines
instructions.
BF> is it an operating system itself?
no.
There are some CPUs, which have Java as their native instruction set.
Eg no x64 instructions but native java instructions.
And the OS for these CPUs is written in java, as everything they are able to
run.
But Java is no OS. Java is a language.
It is lie saying C is a OS, because Linux is written in C :)
And BTW:
there are 2 totally different JAVA possibilities.
1) applets ... run in the browser (or appletviewer), and are part of a webpage
2) applications ... there are complete office applications and browsers.
These do not need any browser to run, but naturally they need a JVM.
BF> CU, Bastiaan
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:25:58 +0100
From: flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
> GF> 1. Javascript capability - NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
> GF> the same way .JPGs, etc are handled.
> this is not possible.
> JS mainly alters browser specific stuff.
> This is not possible from outside the browser.
> And IMHO arachne has already veeeeeeeeeeery limited JS support built into her.
Which?
btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage!
Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way to
detect Arachne for such a service?
>
> GF> 2. SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but handled
> GF> the same way as .JPGs, etc.
> I vote for being built into.
> Shelling out is MISERABLY slow.
No problem for a DJGPP Arachne-"kernel"!
bye and happy new year!
flox
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http://www.drdos.org
unofficial dr-dos site
http://www.flox.at.tf/
dos page - ogg/mp3 page for dos
kurt ostbahn & die kombo page
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:41:09 +0100
From: "Michal H. Tyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WWWMAN bug
Hi Glenn, Hi all,
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:42:29 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> mov si,sp;
> int 0x25;
> cli;mov sp,si;sti;
> pushf;
> lea si,boot;add si,0x1f0;sub al,al;
> popf;jc q;
> Now..... how do we re-write ths section of drvtypes.cpp so that
> we CAN look for stacker drives WITHOUT locking-up the machine ????
I suuggest just a small change:
push bp; // I didn't test whether MS-DOS 7.10 trashes bp...
int 0x25; // read logical sector
pop si; // throw away the flags saved by INT
pop bp; // bp points to the local variables on the stack
lea si, [boot + 0x1f0]; // this doesn't modify any flags
sub al, al; // al = 0
jc q; // an error occured during int 0x25
I haven't tested the above code yet, but it should work.
Greetings,
Michal
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:42:13 +0100
From: "Michal H. Tyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Two or more OS's
Hi all,
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:52:07 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:
>> Bastiaan asked if it is possible to have two or more operating systems
>> on one computer. Yes, with System Commander or Partition Magic or there
>> is hardware which allows you to switch between hard drives. I have a
> I wonder if there is a cheap (free would be excellent) way to do
> this.
One more free boot manager (let me advertise myself ;-))
http://www.bttr-software.de/bootmgr/
and a -- possibly useful -- tool for exchanging drive letters:
http://www.bttr-software.de/drvexch/
Greetings,
Michal
http://www.bttr-software.de/
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:41:44 +0100
From: "Michal H. Tyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: access denied
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:44:08 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote:
> The new bug
> ***********
> Click 'History', click 'file:c:\arachne\*.*' => access denied again
> click 'file:@:*.*' => accessible drives = OK
> access denied on file:c:\arachne\*.htm and file:c:\arachne\*.txt
> Clicking \\ => file:C:\*.*
> Choosing now for "arachne\" gives that beep again.
Let me reproduce it...
Michal
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:53:30 +0000
From: "Edenyard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Thanks for new Arachne!
Dear List,
I downloaded V1.71ue01 on Christmas Eve and eventually got it to
connect (I forgot to remove the 'lh' in the 'Connect...' line in the
CFG file....)
I'm very impressed with all the improvements that I can detect over
V1.70r3 and clearly there's been a lot of hard work going on to make it
as good as it is. So I'd just like to say a big THANK-YOU to everyone
who's made this happen.
I'd also very much like to add my vote to the 'javascript and ssl
add-on' motion that's been proposed on the list. That would be the icing
on Arachne's cake, I'm sure!
All the best for the New Year!
Cheers,
Gerald.
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:13:01 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
Hi flox!
30 Dec 2002, flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And IMHO arachne has already veeeeeeeeeeery limited JS support built
>> into her.
f> Which?
OK ... I was wrong ... it seems that the JavaScript engine is not yet included
in the mainline arachne package. (I just remembered that I have read it
somewhere ... I don't use her regularly.
=== Begin file ===
> 1.70 stable for DOS (CSS release)
> ----
>
> Release date: 21th January 2001
> Improvements:
> Experimental Cascading Style Sheets (CSS-1) implementation - see
> examples/css.htm (<LINK REL="stylesheet">, <STYLE> ). Stylesheets are
> damned Microsoft's invention and I started playing with them only
> because I needed to test certain mechanism with will be shared by
> JavaScript engine.
I don't know when/if the JS engine will be released.
> After playing with JavaScript, I have noticed, that many Opera or MSIE
> enhanced pages implement many nasty CSS tricks, which are maybe good for
> testing, but which are extremely hard to implement if I want to keep css
> implementation under 2 KB. Aaaaghhrrrr !!!!! Anyway, CSS is controled by
> arachne.cfg variable CSS Yes|No, and it is default only for two sample
> Arachne profiles for faster PCs - other users have to turn them on
> manualy using Options | Preferences.
=== End file ===
f> btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage!
f> Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way
f> to detect Arachne for such a service?
Doesn't arachne send its name in the referer ??
I guess that it is simply others because there are too few users.
>> GF> 2. SSL capability - again, NOT "built-in" to Arachne, but
>> GF> handled the same way as .JPGs, etc.
>> I vote for being built into.
>> Shelling out is MISERABLY slow.
f> No problem for a DJGPP Arachne-"kernel"!
Shelling out would also take long :)
But in a DJGPP arachne there would be IMHO enough room to make a monolothic
core.
f> bye and happy new year!
thanx same to you all !
f> flox
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:28:54 +0200
From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: External use of Insight
A pretty silly question, but...
How do I get insight to pull all the mail in my POP3 mailbox without having to load
Arachne first? I'd like to do it by command line or batch file instead.
(Tried to figure it out by myself, gave up after 15 minutes. Either i'm loosing my
"touch" or I just got lazy. :P ... I think its probebly being lazy. )
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:27:01 +0100
From: "Joerg Dietze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: External use of Insight
Hi Or,
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:28:54 +0200, Or Botton wrote:
> A pretty silly question, but...
> How do I get insight to pull all the mail in my POP3 mailbox without having to
> load Arachne first? I'd like to do it by command line or batch file instead.
> (Tried to figure it out by myself, gave up after 15 minutes. Either i'm loosing
> my "touch" or I just got lazy. :P ... I think its probebly being lazy. )
your not lazy. Read this (captured output from isight.exe when run
without parameters):
Insight 3.83, Arachne mail maintenance tool
GNUpyright (G)1997-2000 Arachne Labs.
INSIGHT <filename> converts mailmsg <filename> to HTML
INSIGHT -a <filename> insert attachments to outgoing mailmsg
INSIGHT -o <filename> converts mailmsg <filename> to HTML, editable
INSIGHT -i <filespec> converts maildirectory to HTML
INSIGHT -foldes <path> list folders in mail directory
INSIGHT -r <querystring> replies to msg
INSIGHT -d <querystring> deletes msg
INSIGHT -1 <filename> move maili phase 1
INSIGHT -2 <filename> move maili phase 1
INSIGHT -e <querystring> resends msg
INSIGHT -f <querystring> forward
Program writes to STDOUT; syntax is INSIGHT [options] > file
pop3 is done by core.exe.
BTW Happy new year to everyone on this list!
Regards Joerg
- -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:39:17 +0100
From: "Joerg Dietze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Testing latest Arachne
Hi folks,
had a little more time during last days and played around a little with
A.1.71UE01. Very good work, thanks to all who took part in this!
IMHO, next should be a port to 32bit compiler to get rid of the memory
monster which still resides at some pages (try
http://www.darwinawards.com). This also should kill all xSwap errors.
There is still one small problem with CSS on pages with frames, CSS
mouseover effects are rendered from left upper corner of the screen, not
from left upper corner of the frame.
Https to http feature works very fine to me, no problem loggin into the
web interface of freemail.web.de which is a SSL login by default.
I'll test more next few days.
Regards Joerg
- -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:42:47 +0100
From: "Joerg Dietze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Flash stuff
Hi folks,
just found this: http://www.quiss.org/swftools/swfextract.html.
Don't know much about C. Would a DOS port be possible?
Regards Joerg
- -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:44:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, flox wrote:
> btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage!
> Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way to
> detect Arachne for such a service?
You would have to get the textcounter.org people to list
it. Arachne certainly identifies itself in the server logs:
127.0.0.1 - - [30/Dec/2002:16:41:35 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 647 "-"
"xChaos_Arachne/4.1.66;beta (Linux i386; GGI; 800x600,HiColor; www.arachne.cz)"
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Steve Ackman
http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?)
http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff)
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:50:30 +0200
From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: External use of Insight
At 2002-12-29, 20:27:00 Joerg Dietze wrote:
>pop3 is done by core.exe.
And thats the problem, I guess. I was trying to use insight without Arachne, since I
cant load CORE
due to conventional memory problems. (need to get the mail downloaded into CNM files
while
loads of drivers are working in the background).
Allready went trough the insight help... guess i'll have to look for another method.
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:20:55 +00
From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HTML Programming
On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 05:22:31 +0000, Laurie L Proud wrote:
<snip>
I played a little with HTML TOY but for *learning* HTML programming I
prefer the 'examples' directory in Arachne.
> When I renewed my APM's after upgrading to 1.71UE01 I got the other
> HTML Editor....
> "HTML Editor for Arachne"
> Copyright 1999 Vitex Software - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Version 0.9 Beta ......Unfinished Beta version :-(
Can this HTML Editor downloaded somewhere... this an email address.
Regards, Bastiaan
> This might be the one you refer to. I like the look of it and had
> it installed ready to play.
> If you have checked both, which HTML Editor is the one you recomend ?
> It's a shame this Editor is still a Beta, it look's virtually finished.
> reminds me of Edit. Provided it's stable and hasen't any bugs it looks
> very useful.
> Don't overdo the Xmas Pud !
>> ......gregy
> Thank's your info Gregy,
> Laurie
> -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:38:21 +00
From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: now, DOS is JAVA
Thanks for clearing up... Bastiaan
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:49:22 +1000 (E. Australia Standard Time), Ronald Bleckendorf
wrote:
>
> Yes, Java is indeed different from JavaScript.
>
> java is also an operating system in its own right. However, there are onl
> y a
> few dozen Java PCs in the world at this time. Most of those are at Sun
> Microsystems. Those machines run Java directly. Being fairly small compar
> ed
> with Windows, the whole OS is stored on ROM. Whenever the machine is turn
> ed
> on, there is no waiting time for the OS to load.
>
> Most of us don't have a Java machine, so we have to install a "Virtual
> Machine" first. This virtual machine - or JVM - communicates between Java
> and the operating system of the physical machine. JVMs are available for
> practically any platform, hence the portability.
>
> Using a virtual machine introduces some problems, though: As really two
> operating systems are used, with the VM to translate between the two, a
> noticeable drop in performance can be experienced.
>
> Technically speaking, there is really no JVM for Windows. It is really a
> DOS
> application. That's true for the Sun JVM. I have a feeling the Microsoft
> version may not work under DOS only systems. When installing the Sun
> Microsystems Java Virtual Machine, the following should be added to the
> autoexec.bat file:
>
> set classpath=c:\java\lib\classes.zip;
> path=c:\java\bin
> Java does NOT need Windows to run. The Sun Microsystem's JVM for DOS is a
> DOS-based application. Even some Windows versions work in a DOS-only
> environment. Having said that, I have to admit that later versions (highe
> r
> than 1.1) may not work correctly on DOS-only systems. Especially later
> versions may be taylored to run on the newer, non-DOS based Windows (NT,
> 2000 and XP). So, if you download a version, try to get an old one:-) The
> DOS version 1.1 works fine here under DOS 6.22. All Java needs is DOS and
> the correct Java JRE.
>
> Almost all Java programming is done in DOS text mode (even if Windows is
> the
> OS), and the code is compiled from the command prompt. The code is simila
> r,
> but not the same, as C++ code, so C programmers will find it easier to le
> arn
> There are really no practical GUI interfaces for programming in Java.
> Everything, even graphics, have to be coded in a text editor of some kind
> before compiling. Borland JBuilder (Windows needed) makes things easier,
> but
> is still only a better text editor. For easier graphical interfaces, Osbo
> rne
> and Lambert's "BreezyGUI" (no Windows needed) can be very helpful for
> beginners.
>
> Even though Java is said to be the fastest growing language (probably
> because of web applets), I can think of only two truly practical applicat
> ion
> which is "Corel Office for Java", which includes WordPerfect, QuattroPro
> and a schduler. (Details: http://developer.novell
> com/research/devnotes/1997/may/16/), and Lotus Kona, which includes
> everything MS Office does. I was able to download a copy of Corel Office
> for
> Java a couple of years ago, but the site seems to have gone. If anyone is
> interested, let me know.
>
> Sun Microsystems also developed a pure Java web browser called "HotJava",
> which runs on any java platform below 1.2. Again, if the proper JVM is
> installed, Windows is not necessary to run this browser. It can handle Ja
> va
> (of course!) and JavaScript as well. The browser can be downloaded from
> http://java.sun.com/products/hotjava/3.0/
>
> The Sun Microsystem DOS JVM is called JAVA-PC and can be downloaded from
> http://java.sun.com/pr/1998/09/spotnews/sn980922.html. Just follow the li
> nks
> It may not work very well in systems below 486, though.
>
> I use the Java for DOS JRE 1.1 on an old 486DX66, 1MB RAM, 30MB HDD. This
> allows me to connect the machine to the network and thus access the Inter
> net
> using the fully graphical HotJava browser.
>
> Another option could be to install RJ-DOS (if you can find it), which is
> a
> DOS platform which includes a JVM.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Dr. Ron
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sunday, 29 December 2002 05:55:55 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: now, DOS is JAVA
>
> We had a discussion on the List, some time ago, and if I recall
> correctly JAVA is totaly different to java-script.
>
> Java-script is bad... not handled by Arachne
>
> Yes, it was mentioned that JAVA is running in every operating system...
> is it an operating system itself?
>
> Who knows some more about JAVA?
>
> CU, Bastiaan
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:01:30 +0000, Ariel Lachter wrote:
>
>> (sorry my bad english)
>> Yesterday "the bad" are frames.
>> Now "the bad" is java.
>> I see in freebyte that make programs that run in any
>> operating system with virtual java machine.
>> Maybe is time to change, d.o.s ==> java.
>> Who take the bull by the horn's?
>
>> -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
>
> .
> [Attached file: 5210S402.HTM]
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:29 +0000
From: "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Features (was " What's important for Arachne's future?")
Hi Folks, Florian,
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:25:58 +0100, flox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> btw: I am using www.textcounter.org for a counter for my webpage!
> Arachne is listed as "other browser". Is there or would ther be a way to
> detect Arachne for such a service?
I rather doubt it.
I just tried to get myself a new web counter, at
www.textcounter.org, and when the code arrived, it was written in
JavaScript. Arachne couldn't see it (and so it is absolutely no use to
me because I only ever use Arachne), and I assume that Arachne would not
be able to communicate fully back to the counter script.
I am starting to be convinced that javascript would have to be the
most pressing need for the future development of Arachne.
Glenn's On/Off switch is a step in the right direction, but I am
finding more and more websites where I cannot even read news stories
because the text is either called, or even displayed, by javascript.
As an example:
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4838549.htm
did not display the story text, although WizLynx was able to show it, so
it isn't javascript per se in this instance.
To get to this story I had to extract the actual text and save it to
another file. Arachne couldn't display it. :(
Regards,
Ron
Ron Clarke
http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html
http://tadpole.aus.as
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:18:45 +0000
From: "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: External use of Insight
Hi Or,
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:50:30 +0200, Or Botton wrote:
> At 2002-12-29, 20:27:00 Joerg Dietze wrote:
>> pop3 is done by core.exe.
> And thats the problem, I guess. I was trying to use insight without Arachne,
> since I cant load CORE
> due to conventional memory problems. (need to get the mail downloaded into CNM
> files while
> loads of drivers are working in the background).
> Allready went trough the insight help... guess i'll have to look for another
> method.
Have you tried James Chapman's Bare Bones DOS email ? I have used it
to download my mail at a time when Arachne couldn't. I have even written
a (DOS) graphic Front End for it, able to direct incoming email to
Arachne's MAIL directory, with a .CNM extension, but it will run from
the DOS commandline.
It has its own dialler etc., and is completely self-contained, even
without my front-end. And it is very light on your conventional memory.
Go to: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jchap/tvde.htm
There is also Glenn Gilbreath's DOS Internet stuff, including mail
progs, at: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/index.htm
A veritable treasury there. :)
Regards,
Ron
Ron Clarke
http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html
http://tadpole.aus.as
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