arachne-digest Saturday, January 25 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2034
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:43:05 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I ASSumed ... Originally from - Subject: In Response to - (Re: Iraq vs. N Korea) Hi Ricsi (and everybody), First, let me say this ... While I was outside removing some small rocks from my garden, I realized I needed to remove some big rocks from my own head, too. I ASSumed that Ricsi (and others) were saying something with certain words, but I never clarified if he (they) used those words in the same way that I might use them. And I never clarified what they might actually have been trying to say. So ... When I ASSumed, I was a bit of an ASS. I apologize. I was wrong. Second, I strongly agreed with Ricsi's concern that the USA is making a case that "we can invade any country anytime we want, because we say it's okay (therefore, it IS okay)". For some reason, that is difficult for some Americans to understand (although most of us would agree that Saddam was wrong to invade Kuwait). In my opinion, this is a bit of a blind spot for which there is no excuse. Warm regards to all from sunny Arizona (USA). Bob Dohse On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:58:34 +0100 (CET) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) writes: > Hi bobdohse! <snipped everything to save bandwidth, please read the original> - - ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:23:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled I subscribed to the Yahoogroups Arachne list, so I think. To: line on the confirmation message was 77 characters long. I didn't stay online long enough to get the welcome message, that was the end of my session. I didn't use the web interface at all, so I didn't have to answer all those questions. I used gmx.net address instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] so as to have some fodder for testing with fetchmail when I set up with Linux. Do I need to use gmx.net SMTP or can I also use Bluegrass Net SMTP? I noticed some messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC'ed to the Yahoogroups list. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:15:04 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: replicatable experimental data Originally - Subject: Re: ASSUME On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> We should have been given proof in the form of reputable >> data, not the mere opinion of an individual (no matter how >> important his position). > > On the other hand, what replicatable experimental data > have you found for the opposing position ? Hi Ron, As my professor for fieldwork liked to say, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence". Anyway, theories can never really be proved, but are rejected when they are disproved. All of which probably means that this subject could be discussed and debated for a long, long time. To side step the issue <grin>, ... One of the interesting possibilities with the Genome Project (and other such studies into DNA structures) would be the ability to conduct a comprehensive, comparative analysis of various living organisms and display the results in a side-by-side graphic display (that a nonprofessional like myself could understand). Included could be some *before and after* displays showing the mutative effects of such things as radiation, chemicals, or whatever else may cause mutations. Whatever the other outcomes may be from the *cloning debate*, one issue I haven't seen discussed is the potential to one day demonstrate how the process of genetic mutation works. I can imagine the graphics once the DNA structure is completely understood in every aspect. Somebody will come out with a photo morphing program that will allow you to see what you would look like with slightly different DNA. Maybe that will be a future feature of Arachne (version 1.73 ???). Your genetically-close relative, Bob :-) - - ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:33:40 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASSUME On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Regards, > Ron (who is not descended from monkeys, but who shares a > common ancestor with monkeys, dogs, horses, whales, and Bob) > Hi Ron, One of the things that I will never understand is that, regardless of adherance to evolutionist or creationist thoughts, everyone shares a common ancestry at some point in history. Therefore, I cannot comprehend the hatred based upon genetic characteristics. I've heard a lot of arguments that have SOME level of validity, but racism is not one of them. So, Ron, I guess we're related. Cool. I've always wanted a big family. Bob - - ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:39:31 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: In Response to - (Re: Iraq vs. N Kor On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:43:50 +1000, Ronald Bleckendorf wrote: >> Ron, >> Please be more specific. Exactly where did this occur and when. Filing a >> complaint with the police department does not depend on whether you are a >> citizen, visitor or what religion you are. There are a number of > legislators >> in the U. S. Congress who would be very interested in this assault on you. >> Roger Turk >> Tucson, Arizona > I doubt it. It happened around the time of Martin Luther King. >> Ronald Bleckendorf wrote: <snip> That was an era when racial tensions were running very high, especially in many small towns in the deep south. Those who wanted to preserve as much as possible the old system which failed to protect blacks from discrimination were also inclined to be very strongly prejudiced against Jews too. Jews in general tend to be very liberal minded and strongly opposed to racial and religious discrimination of any kind. The lawless Ku Klux Klan and other vigilante groups were against Blacks, Jews, and Roman Catholics. BTW, the genuine and original and legitimate Ku Klux Klan was officially disbanded by its founder, the former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forest, because members of the organization started resorting to violence. It was not his idea to use violence. He only wanted to scare people by playing on the superstitions which he erroneosly thought to be widely held by black people. This of course was not the right thing to do, but it was perfectly legal and it was not violent. His men would don white sheets and hoods so as to appear as ghosts and they would ride around on horseback and pretend to have supernatural powers by playing magic tricks and creating clever illusions. Most black people were not at all impressed by such antics. It was the intent of the Klansmen to scare the black people away from dealing with the corrupt northern politicians who descended into the south after the Civil War for the purpose of exploiting all of its people, to include blacks as well as whites. One of the favorite exploits of the corrupt northern politicians consisted of bribing the uneducated former slaves into voting for them. When the corrupt politicians got voted into power they would recover their investments in bribes by raising the taxes on real estate. The founder's tactics to scare the blacks away from the corrupt northern reconstructionist politicians met with very little success. This infuriated most of the Klansmen. Then they started to resort to violence. The founder abhorred the recourse to violence. For this reason he officially dismissed, disbanded, and disowned the organization. Unfortunately the Ku Klux Klan continued to exist even unto this day. Klansmen today are wrong to continue to acknowledge the former Confederate general as their founder. They perform a great dishonor to his memory and reputation by doing so. Also they dishonor the Confederate Battle Flag by their having adopted it as one of their symbols. All of them are common renegades. None of them are acting pursuant to the the orders of a responsible leader. They are all in plain violation of the orders of the former Confederate general who had officially dismissed them. By their having adopted as one of their symbols the banner under which the general formerly served they dishonor it. Most of the hatred against blacks was generated as a result of the abuses of the corrupt northern reconstructionists. Most northerners have the arrogance to think of themselves as morally superior to southerners because they are not as inclined as southerners to hold racist attitudes. The hypocrisy is that much of the blame for racist attitudes in the south can be laid directly to the corrupt behavior of the northern reconstructionists who descended upon the South after the Civil War. During the era of the civil rights movement most of the Jews supported the social philosophy of Martin Luther King. His philosophy was very unpopular among many white Christian protestants throughout the South during his era. Resistance to the concepts of social-mixing and integration and to non-discrimination changed very fast throughout the South during the years immediately following the assassination of Martin Luther King. There still exist today a few vestiges of the former racist thinking, but it is very unusual in the towns of the modern South of today to come across a whole lot of people who still think that way. People who still think that way are marginalized. The civil authorities nowadays place a very high priority on punishing severely any person who assaults another for reason of his hatred for the victim's race, nationality, or religion. In some jurisdictions those types of crimes are defined as "hate crimes" and additional penalties apply. So called "hate crime" legislation is very controversial because it is being used for protecting only the victims who are minorities. This is not fair. It is just as wrong for a black person to assault a white person because of his race as it is for a white person to assault a black person because of his race. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:11:55 -0500 From: Howard Eisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Fw: arachne list cancelled On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 09:23:39PM -0500, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I used gmx.net address instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] so > as to have some fodder for testing with fetchmail when I set > up with Linux. Do I need to use gmx.net SMTP or can I also > use Bluegrass Net SMTP? In Linux you will probably set up your MTA (sendmail, exim, etc.) to use your ISP's (Bluegrass) SMTP (smarthost). Best to leave it like that, although I believe that gmx supports pop-before-smtp, and smtp auth. I have a gmx account, aber ich kann nur ein Bischen Deutsch sprechen. Ask Ricsi. Howard E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:00:15 +00 From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Lost...? The original of this mailing did not make it to the list, posted on 22 jan. Why was it lost?? I had an attachment (gif image of a Dutch coin with George Marshall on it). Is it the attachment? Is it the size (total 55 kB)? Regards Bastiaan ************************************************************************ <massive snip> > I think there is logic in the argument that Europe's positions is not > necessarily *right* just because America's position is possibly *wrong*. > It is theoretically possible that both perspectives are wrong. It is nearly impossible to view from another perspective... your perspective is in your culture, your personality, your scholing, your parents, etc. US and Europe have much in common being 'western' civilisations but also differ a lot. So who is right and who is wrong :-() >> Being Dutch, 22 years old, I think I have quite a clear view about >> what they tell us about Germans at school. >> - - They are NOT the enemy anymore, they are friends, and have been >> for a long time. > - > Oh? > That doesn't explain why, when my wife and I (who both have some German > features) would walk down the residential streets in Holland, the kids > would spit and make anti-German remarks. That also doesn't explain why > our hosts would speak Dutch to the kids (who would then smile and wave), > and then our hosts would tell us that the kids first thought we were > German, but now understood that we were from America. > I had the exact experience in Bitche, France. > Perhaps the spitting and cussing were culturally appropriate gestures of > affection. If so, I apologize for reaching the wrong conclusions. If not, > I stand firm on my conclusion that Pan-European hugs and kisses are not > universally approved. Although the bulk of hate towards the Germans is gone... it's nearly 60 years WW2 ended... you will encounter anti-german sentiments from time to time, in most European countries (The UK is an exeption but they never had German occupation) Not all resentiments against Germans come from WW2 or earlier wars. Germany is an economic power and German tourists use and show that money. An example: the Spanish isle of Ibiza is a popular holyday resort. And over the years Germans bought houses there. At the time over 50% of Ibiza is in German hands, bars and hotels are run by Germans... The original population was at first enthousiastic because this gave jobs on the island... but over time they are becomming a minority on their own island. The Germans are now called 'arogant' and their money is creating envy. The Americans are ruling the world, with money and a very big mouth... would the 'rest of the world' react differently from the Ibizians? As the Americans roar harder the resentiments are growing, a bit in Europe (after all we a part of the same white and rich civilisation). Much stronger resentiments in the non western world, especialy the moslim world. > I AM countering the implication that Europe has obtained a position of > moral superiority from which it should lecture the rest of the world. We do not have the power to do something else ;-( > And that does NOT mean that the USA should do so, either. RIGHT >> - - Although Germans started WWII, that does not make them >> warmongers. Hitler wasn't even German. > - > According to my elderly neighbor in Homberg, it was France who started > the war by insisting upon heavy reparations after WW1. Of course, he > wasn't schooled under the modern curriculum. He's also dead now, so only > the modern textbook remains. Hitler promised a way out: he did not pay and started to build a new army and that boosted the economy... created jobs in a world suffering from the economic world crash in 1929. This was not an empty promise... However: Germany insisted upon heavy reparations before WW1 after the war of 1870. One of the best ideas after WW2 was: no reparations... but American help in the "European Recovery Program" also know as Marshall Help. THANK YOU AMERICA ! Declaration of war (WW2) was by France and England after Germany attacked Poland. >> - - During the pre-war years, movements similar to the Nazi's >> (fascist/nationalist) existed in most country's, including The >> Netherlands, >> France and Italy (Mussolini was an example to Hitler). >> - -Whenever the economy goes bad, people will look for a strong >> leader and a >> scapegoat. Germany's economy was completely destroyed by heavy (close >> to impossible) punishments for WW1. > - > This is absolutely true - it was an impossible situation. Some people use > this as an argument AGAINST the collective bargaining of victorious > combatants. > Sanctions, embargoes, and war reparations are several of the UN tactics > with which I disagree. I can't recall an occasion when they have been > useful in achieving their stated objective. Massive help like a Marshall plan DID help to Europe and Japan. > Americans certainly act from our own perceptions and prejudices. But so > do ALL people. > I was my desire to make the point that American's might have a different > perspective from Europeans, and that the American perspective might be as > equally valid to an American as the European perspective is to a > European. > I'm not suggesting that America is perfect. I'm just challenging the > implication that ANY state (or collective group of states) has reached > the level of moral perfection which would justify dictating policy to > others. > To me, that conjures up images of oppression. Ironic, since the original > discussion was about the perspective of some that it is America who is > oppressing others. If we were both African, Asian, or Latin American, we > would surely both be part of *US* (and Europe AND America would be called > THEM). > I was almost convinced to agree that some American tactics were > objectionable. I almost joined YOU, and we were almost together as US. > Then somebody raised the issue of comparative values (YOU should be like > US). And we were no longer *one*. I was compelled to make a choice. THEM > or US. Attachment: Silver Dutch coin worth 10 guilders = abt. 4.50 US$. 50 years of European Recovery Program, face is George Marshall. **** America did do a lot good things to Europe... we are friends... but friends have the obligation to critisize each other. We are in the same pub, we both drink bear...Americans drink Budweiser Europeans drink Heineken **** Regards, Bastiaan [Attached file: marshall.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:41:05 +00 From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mailing list question Hi Samuel, for arachne I use several From's and that does not seem to matter. So I think it does not matter whoever sends a thing to the list. But the list itself is only been send to the subscribed members. Beginning of January my regular ISP was down (that's why I tried to get off the list) and i had to switch to an other ISP with of course a different e-mail address. This had no consequences for sending to the list :-) :-) In theory the list is open for spammers... but in reality I never received spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I would say: leave it the way it is now (but a way out of Arachne would be a very good thing :-( ) CU, Bastiaan On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:56:39 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > Dear folks on the Arachne and Nettamer Mailing Lists: > I have noted with much interest that the Arachne Mailing List does not > have a certain particular quirky problem which the Nettamer Mailing List > does have. > The problem with the Nettamer Mailing List is that it does not allow one > to post messages to the list from a remote server by one modifying his > "From:" header so as to indicate that the message is being sent from the > address from which one is subscribed. > When I am running PINE on my remote server account I can post messages > to the Arachne Mailing List if I modify my "From:" header so as to > indicate that the message was sent by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". The > message gets posted to the Arachne Mailing List with no problem. Those > of you who are subscribers to the Arachne Mailing List may take a look > at the full headers on my most recent post to the Arachne Mailing List. > You guys will see what I mean. > The Nettamer Mailing List has a problem in this regard. The MAILER > DAEMON for the Nettamer Mailing List always bounces the messages back to > me at my remote server email address with a note saying that in order to > post messages to the Nettamer Mailing List list I must be a subscriber. > The Nettamer Mailing List does not recognize me as a subscriber when I > appropriately modifify my "From:" header in the same manner as for > posting to the Arachne Mailing List. I do not have a problem posting to > the Nettamer List as long as I do it directly from my real ISP and I use > my real "From:". > Setting up a mailing list so as not to accept messages from those who > have modified their "From:" so as to reflect the email address of a > legitimate subscriber is a good feature or a bad feature? > The advantage of such a feature is that it discourages spamming and > immitative deception and other obnoxious behaviors. The disadvantage > is that the feature disallows perfectly legitimate posters from posting > to the list from their Unix shell accounts simply by modifying their > "From:". A legitimate subscriber may solve this problem by subscribing > to the mailing list from his remote server email address too. The > problem with resorting to this solution is that he would be advertising > also the email address of his remote server account to the spammers who > harvest email addresses from the mailing lists. > I wonder what might be the majority opinion as to whether a mailing list > ought to have a feature for disallowing one to post to a mailing list by > modifying his "From:" header so as to indicate the email address of a > legitimate subscriber. > There are several pros and cons to consider. > All the best, > Sam Heywood > -- > This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: > http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:47:20 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lost...? On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > **** America did do a lot good things to Europe... > we are friends... but friends have the obligation to > critisize each other. We are in the same pub, we > both drink bear...Americans drink Budweiser > Europeans drink Heineken. I personally prefer to sample the local variety, and I think the wheat beer is best. I always thought that the city of Pilzen should be given a Nobel prize for economics - so many deals have been made over a cold Pils. If you prefer Heineken, then I know what to offer when the occasion arises. Perhaps on a future trip through that wonderful airport of yours. CU (maybe someday) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:28:38 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mailing list question On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:41:05 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: > Hi Samuel, > for arachne I use several From's and that does not seem to > matter. So I think it does not matter whoever sends a thing to the list. > But the list itself is only been send to the subscribed members. > Beginning of January my regular ISP was down (that's why I tried to get > off the list) and i had to switch to an other ISP with of course a > different e-mail address. This had no consequences for sending to the > list :-) :-) > In theory the list is open for spammers... but in reality I never > received spam from [EMAIL PROTECTED] > So I would say: leave it the way it is now (but a way out of Arachne > would be a very good thing :-( ) > CU, Bastiaan During the many years I have been subscribed to the Arachne List I recall only one incident of a spammer who joined the list. This happened a couple of years ago. He put down Arachne. Also he said some things to the effect that we are all backward and stupid people for using DOS. He tried to have us believe that he had joined the list for the purpose of educating and enlightening us and rescuing us from the dark ages. He acted as though he thought himself to be so superior to all of us. He recommended that we all convert to windozers and he advertised some products which he was marketing and which run under Window$. This guy lasted only for a few days because all the list members who chose to comment about him put him down very severely. In an apparent attempt to get even with me for a private reply I sent to him which he did not like, he sent to me a Window$ email virus, which of course is not even capable of infecting my all-DOS system. Although I did not report his behavior to his ISP he suddenly disappeared from the list. Good riddance! Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:50:08 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Lost...? On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:47:20 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> **** America did do a lot good things to Europe... >> we are friends... but friends have the obligation to >> critisize each other. We are in the same pub, we >> both drink bear...Americans drink Budweiser >> Europeans drink Heineken. > I personally prefer to sample the local variety, and I think the wheat > beer is best. I always thought that the city of Pilzen should be given a > Nobel prize for economics - so many deals have been made over a cold > Pils. > If you prefer Heineken, then I know what to offer when the occasion > arises. Perhaps on a future trip through that wonderful airport of yours. My favorite beer is Guiness Stout, an Irish beer. I don't drink it very often because it is very expensive here. I generally prefer very dark beers. Of the imported amber beers I also like Heineken. Very good, and not anywhere near as expensive as Guiness Stout, a dark beer. Of domestic amber beers I do not find anything very special about Budweiser. To me many other domestic amber beers are just as good as Budweiser and they are much less expensive. I don't know why the dark beers tend to be so much more expensive than the amber ones. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:12:51 -0500 From: "david gunnells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Lost...? Hello Bastiaan & everyone, I just wanted to note, for the record, that this American doesn't drink Budweiser. :P Give me a Guinness, Boddington's, Murphy's or Young's Double Chocolate Oatmeal Stout any day. ;) cheers, david Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: >We are in the same pub, we both drink bear...Americans drink Budweiser > Europeans drink Heineken >**** > >Regards, Bastiaan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:14:26 +0000 From: "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Carbon14 testing and Arachne Hi Alejandro, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:58:49, Alejandro Lieber wrote: > I have uploaded the complete text copy of: > "The Voyage of the Beagle by Charles Darwin" at: > www.limasa.com.ar/beagle.zip > This is a really interesting book, where everything begun. Thanks for that. :) I have downloaded and unzipped it. I shall enjoy reading that when I am not so busy. :) Regards, Ron Ron Clarke http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html http://tadpole.aus.as - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:39:47 +0000 From: "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ASSUME Hi Bob, On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:33:40 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Regards, >> Ron (who is not descended from monkeys, but who shares a >> common ancestor with monkeys, dogs, horses, whales, and Bob) > Hi Ron, > One of the things that I will never understand is that, regardless of > adherance to evolutionist or creationist thoughts, everyone shares a > common ancestry at some point in history. Therefore, I cannot comprehend > the hatred based upon genetic characteristics. On that, I agree completely. :) > I've heard a lot of arguments that have SOME level of validity, but > racism is not one of them. > So, Ron, I guess we're related. I have absolutely no problem with that, either. :) > Cool. I've always wanted a big family. And I have always wanted to be related to those who DO have a sense of humour when their leg is pulled. Greetings, Cousin. Regards, Ron Ron Clarke http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html http://tadpole.aus.as - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 03 17:24:34 -0800 From: "Dan Pruitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: floppy email client to use in cybercafe prob is, how much html mail can you put on a floppy before it is full? I know, no one sends html mail, only text Dan At 5:22PM 1/21/03, Ariel Lachter wrote: >Hi List, > >In www.nakka.com, exist windows 95 email client, Npop101w.zip, with >only 85kb(zip file), that maybe work in cybercafe, to receive and >send email. I think that if you know the smtp server ( for example, >my cybercafe work with speedy from telephonica from argentina. I >search in internet : speedy+telefonica+smtp and find that smtp server >is: mai.infovia.com.ar) >and the pop3 server , with login and password, that you use in >arachne email client, >you could send and receive email directly, without to use web-email. >Where you ejecute npop.exe program, is born npop.ini, and i use npop. >ini >to change size font, to read and write emails with bigger size font. >Exist other site with help in english for this program ( I don't >remember now, if any want i could search again ). > >Best regards, >Ariel Lachter >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Have a Goody! Dan http://members.neandertech.com/~Basik_Korner - ---This was written by a user of Arachne, GEOS, and DOS on the WWW! http://arachne.cz http://www.breadbox.com http://www.drdos.org http://www.nettamer.net ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #2034 ******************************
