arachne-digest Saturday, March 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2063
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:24:06 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Suggestion Glad to finally see your new site up & running. I accidentally deleted your message that had info on joining tech list. Have you got your personal mailing list figured out yet? I can probably still get the software that runs as a script without the ISP/server jock knowing about it. <G> Doesn't offer digest, just forwarding to list members. lemme gno l.d. - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 01:18:13 +00 From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Very fast :-)) To send an e-mail over say 100KB took abt. 10 times dailing in... I asked questions about this to the list in the past. Bought a new modem, a cheaper one (TRUST), and just run a test. A 500KB e-mail was uploaded in one run and in 3 min 15 seconds. Download e-mail 650KB in 2:53 :-)))) How many modems could have been bought from the telephone costs over about 4 years ??? How much frustration :-((( So if you have troubles like this buy a new modem ! I did blame the bad lines in the country and maybe they have something to do with the complaints. Measured the outgoing signal strenght: old modem 120 milli-volts AC new modem 160 milli-volts AC CU, Bastiaan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:26:08 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Suggestion P.S. Only being able to attach 4 things from Arachne was a real pain a couple of weeks ago ... I just duped those lines to get 8 places to enter the data ... so it looks like hell right now. Once I get it rewritten it should allow for seven or eight attachments. l.d. - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:28:59 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How are these Nigerian scam messages getting through? In 2 words ... wrong no ==== On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:56:35 -0800 (PST), Binky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't understand how these Nigerian scam > messages are getting posted to the list. > I get the digest and they are included in > the digests, but I can't see the full > headers because those aren't copied to the > digest. I was under the impression that > only people subscribed to the list could > post to the list. Wouldn't it be possible > to trace down the sender from the info in > the headers and unsubscribe that person > from the list? > Binky > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 0:38:10 +0000 From: "J J Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Kuwait & incubators ======= On 2003-02-28 at 19:02:00 L.D.Best wrote: ======= >Whether or not the story were true, I would feel far better if >recognized "legit" sources provided the information on the purported >crime or hoax, whichever it might be. The Christian Science Monitor is still considered authorative and non-partisan, isn't it? Take a look at: http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.htm Best regards, Jake Young 2003-03-01 00:37:01 GMT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:32:12 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Suggestion On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:26:08 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: > P.S. Only being able to attach 4 things from Arachne was a real pain a > couple of weeks ago ... I just duped those lines to get 8 places to > enter the data ... so it looks like hell right now. Once I get it > rewritten it should allow for seven or eight attachments. Did you ever try of hitting "M" and then choosing "send files" ???? <VBG> BTW, 8 is the limit for attachments to outgoing messages Arachne. AFAIK, There is no upper limit to the number of files which can be 'detached' from an incoming eMail. - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:11:35 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: RESENT: Lost in cyberspace ??? On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:25:58 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:51:27 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: >> Hi List... I did resent these postings again to the arachne list. >> They did not return to my inbox and did not reach the list i suppose. >> Why is that?? >> Regards, Bastiaan > All the postings with RESENT: in the subject line did make it to the > list. What was different to the first postings? > Postings done via my other ISP's having another e-mail address in the > From: line did not make it to the list... > So I suppose the senders e-mail address is checked agains the one in > majordomo's records. The one I use now is the one I subscribed with and > that is the one that is making it to the list. > But this makes me wonder how the African president's sons do make it to > the list... perhaps they subscribed? > Regards to you all, Bastiaan I have found that when I attempt to send a message to the list from my Unix shell account and using PINE, the message will get bounced back to me at my email address at my Unix shell account. This will happen even if I fake the "From:" header on the message sent from my Unix shell account so as to reflect the email address from which I subscribed. The "bounced mail" message says that the message was bounced because only valid subscribers are allowed to post. I can access my POP3 inbox at "shentel.net" from my Unix shell account, and I can read all messages addressed to me at my "shentel.net" email address when I am logged on to my Unix shell account, regardless of whose computer or whose network I use for getting into my Unix shell account. From my Unix shell account I can read everything sent to my email address at "shentel.net" and I can send replies to all of those messages from my Unix shell account, but any reply sent to the arachne list will get bounced to my Unix shell account email address saying that I cannot post unless I am a valid subscriber. The list server for the Arachne List knows that the message was not sent from an smtp server belonging to "shentel.net" even if I fake my "From:". This means that the list server will not allow posting unless both of two conditions are satisfied: 1. That the "From:" header matches an email address of a valid subscriber. 2. That the IP number of the smtp server from which the message originated matches an IP number of an smtp server belonging to the network of the valid subscriber. If both of the above conditions are not satisfied, the list server determines that the sender of the message is not a valid subscriber. It would seem to me that if even I can't post here without meeting the above two conditions, then the late Nigerian general's son can't do so either, unless there is a system in place that confers special privileges to the reputed sons of the late Nigerian general. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:40:03 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Suggestion On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:36:31 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:51:48 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: <snip> >> Food for thought - if we have 2 lists, we'll get double the letters from >> the general's son in Nigeria. >> Bob > You never should have said that. > See what you went and did ???? > The next 3 messages were Nigerian spams. ;-) I wonder if the Nigerian spammers have programmed some machines to scan all the messages from all the various mailing lists to search for the term "Nigeria". Maybe it is their idea that if the word is found on the messages posted on a mailing list, then the subscribers to that mailing list might be interested in investing in some Nigerian business ventures. Maybe that explains why some mailing lists are being targetted for Nigerian spams. If it should appear that such a pattern of spamming activity is developing, then perhaps we should start spelling Nigeria backwards whenever discussing Nigerian spams. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:55:25 -0500 From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Shopping... Real PCI modems, etc Bastiaan, Thumbing thru a computer catalog today, I saw a Zoom <www.zoom.com> PCI modem *with controller* for about US$80.00. The controllerless version was about US$20.00. So, it appears that PCI real modems are out there. It might take a while to find one at a reasonable price. Both this computer and my office computer have PCI video cards and both computers are pure DOS. I found a site <www.goldenhawk.com> the other day that has DOS CD-RW programs, one for 16-bit and another for 32-bit DOS. They also have a very extensive list of supported CDROM recorders. Roger Turk Bastiaan Edelman wrote: . > Hi List, . > I went to the computer shop this day. . > Wanted a telephone modem. . > 1- external modem... very different prices but much more euro's were . > asked compared to 2 years back in time. . > 2- internal modem... only PCI-slot Win modems :-( . > Is it possible to use PCI slots under DOS ??? . > (I have a sound card also PCI slot =sound blaster= not running under . > DOS :-(( . > Wanted a CD-burner... although IDEE connections like HD and CD-player . > there a no drivers supplied for DOS. Any solution ??? . > Regards, Bastiaan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:55:25 -0500 From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Shopping... Real PCI modems, etc Bastiaan, Thumbing thru a computer catalog today, I saw a Zoom <www.zoom.com> PCI modem *with controller* for about US$80.00. The controllerless version was about US$20.00. So, it appears that PCI real modems are out there. It might take a while to find one at a reasonable price. Both this computer and my office computer have PCI video cards and both computers are pure DOS. I found a site <www.goldenhawk.com> the other day that has DOS CD-RW programs, one for 16-bit and another for 32-bit DOS. They also have a very extensive list of supported CDROM recorders. Roger Turk Bastiaan Edelman wrote: . > Hi List, . > I went to the computer shop this day. . > Wanted a telephone modem. . > 1- external modem... very different prices but much more euro's were . > asked compared to 2 years back in time. . > 2- internal modem... only PCI-slot Win modems :-( . > Is it possible to use PCI slots under DOS ??? . > (I have a sound card also PCI slot =sound blaster= not running under . > DOS :-(( . > Wanted a CD-burner... although IDEE connections like HD and CD-player . > there a no drivers supplied for DOS. Any solution ??? . > Regards, Bastiaan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:27:57 -0500 From: Terri FitzSimons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Kuwait & incubators On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, L.D. Best wrote >Whether or not the story were true, I would feel far better if recognized "legit" sources provided the information on the purported crime or hoax, whichever it might be.< Such as? The sites I listed were some of the first that came up when I looked on Google. So many different sites giving the same information, the same details -- not just one or two obscure sites -- indicates to me valid information. Go look for yourself. >Underground "news" sites most often have an agenda of their own, and are -- by definition -- suspect.< And NBC, CBS, etc. don't have their own agendas? "Underground" news deals with issues that the corporate media will not touch -- usually for reasons of corporate policy, not because said issues lack news- worthiness. This doesn't mean the issues are not legitimate, only that the corporate media won't publicize them. Go look at FAIR.ORG for instance after instance of this sort of thing. Terri A. FitzSimons ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:46:34 -0500 (EST) From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How are these Nigerian scam messages getting through? On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Binky wrote: > I don't understand how these Nigerian scam > messages are getting posted to the list. > I get the digest and they are included in > the digests, but I can't see the full > headers because those aren't copied to the > digest. I was under the impression that > only people subscribed to the list could > post to the list. Wouldn't it be possible > to trace down the sender from the info in > the headers and unsubscribe that person > from the list? Only subscribers can send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone can send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since there are SO many invalid e-mail addresses on the list, the joke is on the spammer cause he'll be getting bounces back for weeks. ;-) - -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:18:56 -0500 (EST) From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: RESENT: Lost in cyberspace ??? On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > I have found that when I attempt to send a message to the list > from my Unix shell account and using PINE, the message will get > bounced back to me at my email address at my Unix shell account. > This will happen even if I fake the "From:" header on the message > sent from my Unix shell account so as to reflect the email address > from which I subscribed. The "bounced mail" message says that the > message was bounced because only valid subscribers are allowed to > post. I can access my POP3 inbox at "shentel.net" from my Unix > shell account, and I can read all messages addressed to me at my > "shentel.net" email address when I am logged on to my Unix shell > account, regardless of whose computer or whose network I use for > getting into my Unix shell account. From my Unix shell account I > can read everything sent to my email address at "shentel.net" and > I can send replies to all of those messages from my Unix shell > account, but any reply sent to the arachne list will get bounced to > my Unix shell account email address saying that I cannot post unless > I am a valid subscriber. The list server for the Arachne List knows > that the message was not sent from an smtp server belonging to > "shentel.net" even if I fake my "From:". This means that the list > server will not allow posting unless both of two conditions are > satisfied: > > 1. That the "From:" header matches an email address of a valid > subscriber. > > 2. That the IP number of the smtp server from which the message > originated matches an IP number of an smtp server belonging > to the network of the valid subscriber. > > If both of the above conditions are not satisfied, the list server > determines that the sender of the message is not a valid subscriber. > > It would seem to me that if even I can't post here without meeting > the above two conditions, then the late Nigerian general's son can't > do so either, unless there is a system in place that confers special > privileges to the reputed sons of the late Nigerian general. Sam, This was all discussed and tested at length several weeks or even several months ago. You would not need to wonder or speculate if you would simply have tried it yourself. Once you try it yourself, you will not soon forget. So, please try it for yourself, and see what happens. Log in to your Unix shell account, and reply to this email, but instead of simply hitting Reply, and leaving the address as [EMAIL PROTECTED], instead, lengthen the address such that it will be arachne-list @ arachne.cz (without the spaces). Since there are spambots that crawl all web pages looking for e-mail addresses, and this list is published on the web, the Nigerian scammers are most likely getting the arachne-list @ arachne.cz address from the web. Go ahead and try it. Reply to arachne-list @ arachne.cz (omitting the spaces) using any e-mail account you wish, and see what happens. You will not soon forget what happens, so you will no longer have to speculate about Nigerian generals' reputed sons, or whether they have "special privileges," or whether using the word Nigerian somehow attracts Nigerian scammer/spammer traffic or whether the IP address has any relevance at all. - -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:14:53 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Kuwait & incubators Jake, that's the correct approach to take. :> ==== On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 0:38:10 +0000, J J Young wrote: > ======= On 2003-02-28 at 19:02:00 L.D.Best wrote: ======= >> Whether or not the story were true, I would feel far better if >> recognized "legit" sources provided the information on the purported >> crime or hoax, whichever it might be. > The Christian Science Monitor is still considered authorative and > non-partisan, isn't it? > Take a look at: http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.htm > Best regards, > Jake Young > 2003-03-01 00:37:01 GMT - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:19:57 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Kuwait & incubators Terri, You don't get it, do you. Try a Google search for "real headlines 2002" and you find them on lots of sites; but if you look a little further you'll find the same "real headlines" being the best of 2001 and 2000 and I believe I traced the hoax/joke back as 1994. How many places something appears is NOT a way to judge the accuracy; in fact, I've found that true things appear in far fewer places on the web than do hoaxes or jokes or just plain mistakes. Number of sources doesn't count. Quality of source(s) does count. ==== On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:27:57 -0500, Terri FitzSimons wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, L.D. Best wrote >> Whether or not the story were true, I would feel far better if > recognized "legit" sources provided the information on the purported > crime or hoax, whichever it might be.< > Such as? The sites I listed were some of the first that came up when I > looked on Google. So many different sites giving the same information, the > same details -- not just one or two obscure sites -- indicates to me valid > information. Go look for yourself. >> Underground "news" sites most often have an agenda of their own, and > are -- by definition -- suspect.< > And NBC, CBS, etc. don't have their own agendas? "Underground" news > deals with issues that the corporate media will not touch -- usually for > reasons of corporate policy, not because said issues lack news- > worthiness. This doesn't mean the issues are not legitimate, only that > the corporate media won't publicize them. Go look at FAIR.ORG for > instance after instance of this sort of thing. > Terri A. FitzSimons - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:25:38 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Suggestion No, I didn't and I'll tell you why ... If I forward a message with attachments, the names in the cache directory (minus extensions sometimes) appear on the message so I can easily type the correct data to send the stuff. If all I want to send is the files, it's simple to delete the text of original message and and any personal note from me. Glad you told me 8 was the max; I'll limit my rework to that. <G> l.d. ==== On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:32:12 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:26:08 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: >> P.S. Only being able to attach 4 things from Arachne was a real pain a >> couple of weeks ago ... I just duped those lines to get 8 places to >> enter the data ... so it looks like hell right now. Once I get it >> rewritten it should allow for seven or eight attachments. > Did you ever try of hitting "M" and then choosing "send files" ???? <VBG> > BTW, > 8 is the limit for attachments to outgoing messages Arachne. > AFAIK, > There is no upper limit to the number of files which can be 'detached' > from an incoming eMail. > -- > Glenn > http://arachne.cz/ > http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ > http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:52:50 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ....(war and rumors of war....sounded King James) On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: <snipped> > .....btw....(war and rumors of war....sounded King James) > > Elliot Yes, Elliot, I knew it was from the biblical expression, but wasn't sure which translation. It was intentional ... to draw attention to the fact that the subject of war was becoming THE major focus of our life. War here, maybe war there, etc. Woe is me!!! The sky is falling!!! But there are other options ... let's get involved in the solutions and not just bemoan the problems. It seems to me that one solution might be to create understanding and friendships by helping those who feel disadvantaged to overcome obstacles to their progress. Not so much *stopping war* as (hopefully) *creating an element of peace* by putting opportunity for options into the hands of those who feel hopeless. It's based on a recent paper by Rice University professor Eli Berman - essentially an economic theory about how the Taliban and Hamas have limited community services as a tool for eliminating opposition from among their people. The counteraction to this tactic is to provide multiple opportunities for services from multiple sources ... basically flood the market with abundant help. Taking the tool (of controlling services) out of the hands of terrorists would minimize their influence within the bases of support. So, I was alluding to the threat of war in order to possibly mobilize somebody to action (maybe as a Virtual Volunteer - hint, hint). I hope you weren't offended by the biblical phrase. I was trying to *convert* people ... but to action, not Christianity. <g> Bob - - ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 00:27:54 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nigerian Scams I think I have it figured out. My guess is that there's a recurring ad in the Lagos Times ... "Earn millions of dollars daily, working from your own home." When I lived in Africa (late 80s) one of the security guards always slept on duty. Whenever I woke him, he always said he was just pretending to sleep, but was really listening for the "rouge" (thief). No matter how hard I argued, he would never admit that he slept on duty. So, one night I handcuffed him to the chair and set off firecrackers under him. He still refused to admit he was sleeping, and walked around for hours with the chair attached to his side. I eventually gave up and opted to give him PLENTY of very strong coffee. That was only marginally successful. Finally, I deleted him (dismissed from my sight, not killed). I think that's probably all we can do with the email from the general's son (mother, lawyer, accountant, etc). My keyboard has a specially marked key especially for that purpose. Bob - - ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 8:5:46 +0000 From: "J J Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Kuwait & incubators ======= On 2003-02-28 at 23:14:00 L.D. wrote: ======= >Jake, that's the correct approach to take. :> I'm not so sure. The CSM article cites the appearance of the false story in the Daily Telegraph, an establishment national newspaper in the UK, mockingly called the "Torygraph" as a nod to its blimpish readers. The Telegraph is better known to British readers than the CSM, and not generally known for publishing lies. Noam Chomsky says interesting things about media control. He appeared recently on BBC Radio 5 in the wee small hours (when many listeners in the US tune in, over the Net), but I wasn't awake that night. I contacted the programme's producer as to why I couldn't find a transcript or Real Audio file and was assured the links were there. The links and the files never did appear, for which he was most apologetic and sent me a tape of the broadcast. Using the BBC's site search, it's as if Noam Chomsky made no recent appearance on the BBC. I wonder why. Best regards, Jake 2002-03-01 08:04:14 GMT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 01:44:19 -0700 From: "G J Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Kumait & incubators On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whether or not the story were true, I would feel far better if > recognized "legit" sources provided the information on the purported > crime or hoax, whichever it might be. > Underground "news" sites most often have an agenda of their own, and > are -- by definition -- suspect. > ==== ahh...yes....I agree with you that underground news sources should be varified....so... perhaps a sensible thing to do would be to query Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell's office....he seems to be know as a fairly reliable source. He is listed as being present at Sen. Faircloth's denuncitory speech concerning this hoax. ...gregy - -- This mail was sent by a user of Arachne - The Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 04:42:12 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Kumait & incubators Uh Greg ... When is the last time you attempted to get an answer from a Senator (or even his staff) on something that occured ten years ago ... particularly when you're not a constituent?? :> Might be easier to find hen's teeth P.S. Since when are politicians considered reliable sources of anything other than 'spin' ?? <VBG> ==== On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 01:44:19 -0700, G J Feig wrote: > ahh...yes....I agree with you that underground news sources should > be varified....so... > perhaps a sensible thing to do would be to query Senator Ben > Nighthorse Campbell's office....he seems to be know as a fairly > reliable source. He is listed as being present at Sen. Faircloth's > denuncitory speech concerning this hoax. - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:15:20 -0500 From: Terri FitzSimons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Kuwait & incubators On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 L.D. Best wrote >Whether or not the story were true, I would feel far better if recognized "legit" sources provided the information on the purported crime or hoax, whichever it might be.< Are these legit enough? Here's the Canadian Broadcasting Corp., Salon.com, the Asian Times and the Guardian newspaper in Britain: http://blogs.salon.com/0001600/2002/10/06.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DK13Ak01.html http://cbc.ca/news/features/iraq/gulf_war.html http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/ story/0,7495,882328,00.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,889419,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:14:14 -0300 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fw: ....(war and rumors of war....) - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:52 AM Subject: ....(war and rumors of war....sounded King James) > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > <snipped> > > .....btw....(war and rumors of war....sounded King James) > > > > Elliot > Yes, Elliot, > > I knew it was from the biblical expression, but wasn't sure which > translation. > It was intentional ... to draw attention to the fact that the subject of > war was becoming THE major focus of our life. > > War here, maybe war there, etc. Woe is me!!! The sky is falling!!! /////// Those kind of headlines....I guess are on top every day all over the world..... //////// Here the very southern cone of the Americas....there is a large Jewish community.... ....We argentinians suffered in the 90's criminal attacks . Some jewish buildings were destroyed, acts suspectedly commited by Middle East terrorist organizations.... If you see a world map...you'll see that we're almost near the Antarctica.... so in a globalized world nothing is too far from conflicts..... ////////// > But there are other options ... let's get involved in the solutions and > not just bemoan the problems. > It seems to me that one solution might be to create understanding and > friendships by helping those who feel disadvantaged to overcome obstacles > to their progress. Not so much *stopping war* as (hopefully) *creating an > element of peace* by putting opportunity for options into the hands of > those who feel hopeless. > It's based on a recent paper by Rice University professor Eli Berman - > essentially an economic theory about how the Taliban and Hamas have > limited community services as a tool for eliminating opposition from > among their people. The counteraction to this tactic is to provide > multiple opportunities for services from multiple sources ... basically > flood the market with abundant help. Taking the tool (of controlling > services) out of the hands of terrorists would minimize their influence > within the bases of support. > > So, I was alluding to the threat of war in order to possibly mobilize > somebody to action (maybe as a Virtual Volunteer - hint, hint). > I hope you weren't offended by the biblical phrase. ******************** Not at all. The Bible is like a very precise roadmap. The human beings are who fail to decode the road signs. Volunteer work you are proposing confirms that your point of view comes from what is known as a virtue of our culture: compassion (misused word by some politicians). I accept that this kind of virtue, sometimes is a rare coin, cause many people are so skeptical about Christianity. In my opinion doing something for the less favoured is one of the few assets that can show ourselves as different western world now that a new Crusade is just in the line to show how fierce can be the competition. The announced war will not a Super Bowl....indeed. I personally pray for few casualties (from both sides,...as we all are God's creatures). > I was trying to *convert* people ... but to action, not Christianity. <g> *********************** That sounds good....."conversion" comes from "metanoia" what in Greek language is like to do a turn of 360�. And that's not so bad in these times where bad rumors are flooding our lives. It can be understood that "conversion" in this post-modern times and in a self-centered hedonist culture hasn't good press as long as "compassion" It's not my opinion but a commonly accepted concept in the mass media. Saddly the so called Christianity sometimes ignores their own values rooted after Constantino (fourth century DC) , the Roman Emperor famous by his"conversion" when he stopped to chase and to kill the first christians Thousand of them were sacrificed as they didn't accept to accept publicly to be atheist. Then the particular definition of "atheism" was not adoring the roman eagles ... the final evidence of being an "atheist". Now we can have a new look for the same trouble like getting busy with things more productive that worries....... I am not naive so I have full respect for those which don't accept any written word or book as source of ethical behaviour. After all from a philosophical/theological definition of what God should have in terms of attributes.....is divine essence of who reigns ......not whom obey (we the creatures). That's not a creed ........just my point of view. I agree with it was told here ......these threads are less boring that daily international headlines ! Elliot /////////// > Bob ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #2063 ******************************
