arachne-digest Sunday, March 2 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2064
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:23:34 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: RESENT: Lost in cyberspace ??? On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:18:56 -0500 (EST), Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: <snip> > Sam, > This was all discussed and tested at length several weeks > or even several months ago. You would not need to wonder > or speculate if you would simply have tried it yourself. > Once you try it yourself, you will not soon forget. So, > please try it for yourself, and see what happens. Log in to > your Unix shell account, and reply to this email, but > instead of simply hitting Reply, and leaving the address as > [EMAIL PROTECTED], instead, lengthen the address such that > it will be arachne-list @ arachne.cz (without the spaces). > Since there are spambots that crawl all web pages looking > for e-mail addresses, and this list is published on the web, > the Nigerian scammers are most likely getting the > arachne-list @ arachne.cz address from the web. Go ahead > and try it. Reply to arachne-list @ arachne.cz (omitting > the spaces) using any e-mail account you wish, and see what > happens. You will not soon forget what happens, so you will > no longer have to speculate about Nigerian generals' > reputed sons, or whether they have "special privileges," or > whether using the word Nigerian somehow attracts Nigerian > scammer/spammer traffic or whether the IP address has any > relevance at all. No, I won't do that, Steve. In your very recent post on this same subject you already described what would happen. This list would receive one copy of of the reply and I would receive bounces for weeks because "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" has so many invalid email addresses. Now I recall the discussion involving someone who tried to unsubscribe from this mailing list by sending an email to the aforementioned email address. Thanks for reminding me of it. He typed just the word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message and sent it. The result was that this list got one copy of the message and his inbox got flooded with bounces. I do not need to try and see for myself what would happen. The same thing would happen to me as would happen to anybody else that does it. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:00:44 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ....(war and rumors of war....sounded King James) On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:52:50 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > <snipped> >> .....btw....(war and rumors of war....sounded King James) >> Elliot > Yes, Elliot, > I knew it was from the biblical expression, but wasn't sure which > translation. <snip> It comes from Matthew, Chapter 24, verse 6. It doesn't come from the King James Version. It comes either from some American translation or from some translation made by some other group of folks who don't speak the king's English. You can tell by the spelling. The King James Version is of course written in the king's English. In the king's English the American word "rumor" is spelled as "rumour". In the US, the King James Version is still one of the several translations most popular among Protestants today. It is more especially popular among those Protestant denominations which are considered to be fundamentalist. There are many fundamentalist ministers who very strongly denounce all of the later and more "modern" translations. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:09:42 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The arachne-list Spam Machine Ah, Now I see more clearly. So all we have to do to keep those spam ISPs busy is to load up the a-list with a few thousand false addresses. Their servers will be so busy receiving bounces that they'll go broke for lack of legitimate customers. Is that a way to out-spam the spammers? Bob - ---- (from the thread - Re: RESENT: Lost in cyberspace ???) On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > > <snip> > > > ... arachne-list @ arachne.cz ... > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:51:47 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Kumait & incubators On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 04:42:12 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: > Uh Greg ... When is the last time you attempted to get an answer from a > Senator (or even his staff) on something that occured ten years ago ... > particularly when you're not a constituent?? > :> Might be easier to find hen's teeth > P.S. Since when are politicians considered reliable sources of anything > other than 'spin' ?? <VBG> Since the day H*** froze over and the sky turned green. ;-) > ==== > On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 01:44:19 -0700, G J Feig wrote: >> ahh...yes....I agree with you that underground news sources should >> be varified....so... >> perhaps a sensible thing to do would be to query Senator Ben >> Nighthorse Campbell's office....he seems to be know as a fairly >> reliable source. He is listed as being present at Sen. Faircloth's >> denuncitory speech concerning this hoax. > -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:48:29 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Diplomat agrees with me Note: You can check out the article at the URL below; however if you are not registered with NY Times yet, you'll have to be registered to access the archives. Note, that if you don't want to give out private information you are given the opportunity to tell them you are under 13 years old ... and I'll wager that allows registration with NO personal data required. Further Note: I cannot verify the contents of the letter (a purported copy thereof which follows the article quotation), since I didn't find a link to it from the NYT article. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/27/international/middleeast/27NATI.html - ----Article from New York Times----- U.S. Diplomat Resigns, Protesting 'Our Fervent Pursuit of War' By Felicity Barringer New York Times Thursday 27 February 2003 UNITED NATIONS - A career diplomat who has served in United States embassies from Tel Aviv to Casablanca to Yerevan resigned this week in protest against the country's policies on Iraq. The diplomat, John Brady Kiesling, the political counselor at the United States Embassy in Athens, said in his resignation letter, "Our fervent pursuit of war with Iraq is driving us to squander the international legitimacy that has been America's most potent weapon of both offense and defense since the days of Woodrow Wilson." Mr. Kiesling, 45, who has been a diplomat for about 20 years, said in a telephone interview tonight that he faxed the letter to Secretary of State Colin L, Powell on Monday after informing Thomas Miller, the ambassador in Athens, of his decision. He said he had acted alone, but "I've been comforted by the expressions of support I've gotten afterward" from colleagues. "No one has any illusions that the policy will be changed," he said. "Too much has been invested in the war." Louis Fintor, a State Department spokesman, said he had no information on Mr. Kiesling's decision and it was department policy not to comment on personnel matters. In his letter, a copy of which was provided to The New York Times by a friend of Mr. Kiesling's, the diplomat wrote Mr. Powell: "We should ask ourselves why we have failed to persuade more of the world that a war with Iraq is necessary. We have over the past two years done too much to assert to our world partners that narrow and mercenary U.S. interests override the cherished values of our partners." -----------End NY Times Article------- Source on the following unknown - -----------begin quote of commentary & of actual letter------------ What follows is a letter of resignation written by John Brady Kiesling, a member of Bush's Foreign Service Corps and Political Counselor to the American embassy in Greece. Kiesling has been a diplomat for twenty years, a civil servant to four Presidents. The letter below, delivered to Secretary of State Colin Powell, is quite possibly the most eloquent statement of dissent thus far put forth regarding the issue of Iraq. The New York Times story which reports on this remarkable event can be found after Kiesling's letter. - wrp U.S. Diplomat John Brady Kiesling Letter of Resignation, to: Secretary of State Colin L. Powell ATHENS | Thursday 27 February 2003 Dear Mr. Secretary: I am writing you to submit my resignation from the Foreign Service of the United States and from my position as Political Counselor in U.S. Embassy Athens, effective March 7. I do so with a heavy heart. The baggage of my upbringing included a felt obligation to give something back to my country. Service as a U.S. diplomat was a dream job. I was paid to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out diplomats, politicians, scholars and journalists, and to persuade them that U.S. interests and theirs fundamentally coincided. My faith in my country and its values was the most powerful weapon in my diplomatic arsenal. It is inevitable that during twenty years with the State Department I would become more sophisticated and cynical about the narrow and selfish bureaucratic motives that sometimes shaped our policies. Human nature is what it is, and I was rewarded and promoted for understanding human nature. But until this Administration it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of my president I was also upholding the interests of the American people and the world. I believe it no longer. The policies we are now asked to advance are incompatible not only with American values but also with American interests. Our fervent pursuit of war with Iraq is driving us to squander the international legitimacy that has been America's most potent weapon of both offense and defense since the days of Woodrow Wilson. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the world has ever known. Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security. The sacrifice of global interests to domestic politics and to bureaucratic self-interest is nothing new, and it is certainly not a uniquely American problem. Still, we have not seen such systematic distortion of intelligence, such systematic manipulation of American opinion, since the war in Vietnam. The September 11 tragedy left us stronger than before, rallying around us a vast international coalition to cooperate for the first time in a systematic way against the threat of terrorism. But rather than take credit for those successes and build on them, this Administration has chosen to make terrorism a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated Al Qaeda as its bureaucratic ally. We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking public wealth to the military and to weaken the safeguards that protect American citizens from the heavy hand of government. September 11 did not do as much damage to the fabric of American society as we seem determined to so to ourselves. Is the Russia of the late Romanovs really our model, a selfish, superstitious empire thrashing toward self-destruction in the name of a doomed status quo? We should ask ourselves why we have failed to persuade more of the world that a war with Iraq is necessary. We have over the past two years done too much to assert to our world partners that narrow and mercenary U.S. interests override the cherished values of our partners. Even where our aims were not in question, our consistency is at issue. The model of Afghanistan is little comfort to allies wondering on what basis we plan to rebuild the Middle East, and in whose image and interests. Have we indeed become blind, as Russia is blind in Chechnya, as Israel is blind in the Occupied Territories, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is not the answer to terrorism? After the shambles of post-war Iraq joins the shambles in Grozny and Ramallah, it will be a brave foreigner who forms ranks with Micronesia to follow where we lead. We have a coalition still, a good one. The loyalty of many of our friends is impressive, a tribute to American moral capital built up over a century. But our closest allies are persuaded less that war is justified than that it would be perilous to allow the U.S. to drift into complete solipsism. Loyalty should be reciprocal. Why does our President condone the swaggering and contemptuous approach to our friends and allies this Administration is fostering, including among its most senior officials. Has "oderint dum metuant" really become our motto? I urge you to listen to America's friends around the world. Even here in Greece, purported hotbed of European anti-Americanism, we have more and closer friends than the American newspaper reader can possibly imagine. Even when they complain about American arrogance, Greeks know that the world is a difficult and dangerous place, and they want a strong international system, with the U.S. and EU in close partnership. When our friends are afraid of us rather than for us, it is time to worry. And now they are afraid. Who will tell them convincingly that the United States is as it was, a beacon of liberty, security, and justice for the planet? Mr. Secretary, I have enormous respect for your character and ability. You have preserved more international credibility for us than our policy deserves, and salvaged something positive from the excesses of an ideological and self-serving Administration. But your loyalty to the President goes too far. We are straining beyond its limits an international system we built with such toil and treasure, a web of laws, treaties, organizations, and shared values that sets limits on our foes far more effectively than it ever constrained America's ability to defend its interests. I am resigning because I have tried and failed to reconcile my conscience with my ability to represent the current U.S. Administration. I have confidence that our democratic process is ultimately self-correcting, and hope that in a small way I can contribute from outside to shaping policies that better serve the security and prosperity of the American people and the world we share. John Brady Kiesling - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 20:38:25 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Diplomat agrees with me On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:48:29 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: > Note: You can check out the article at the URL below; however if you > are not registered with NY Times yet, you'll have to be registered to > access the archives. Note, that if you don't want to give out private > information you are given the opportunity to tell them you are under 13 > years old ... and I'll wager that allows registration with NO personal > data required. > Further Note: I cannot verify the contents of the letter (a purported > copy thereof which follows the article quotation), since I didn't find > a link to it from the NYT article. > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/27/international/middleeast/27NATI.html You are probably right about how one has to sign up and register in order to access the *archives* of the NY Times. You do not have to sign up and register to access the *current* headline stories in the NY Times if you use a mail and news reader such as PINE. Anyone wanting to know how this is done may write to me privately. We used to be able to access the *current* headline stories in the NY Times with Arachne simply by accessing a WAP URL posted by fellow list member Alejandro Lieber, but that site eventually went down and it stayed down : (. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:24:12 +0000 From: Neo Sze Wee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Installing Ghostscript for 16 bit dos (Was: Re: DOS Ghostscript) On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 05:10:25PM +1000, Ron Clarke wrote: > Hi Folks, Joerge, > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:58:20 +1100, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Dietze wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > no need to use these old versions. There is an inoffical DOS compile of GS > 7.05 > > which works fine with the lates PDF version (1.4, Acrobat ver. 5). To build > Your > > own DOS version get the OS/2 package here: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1897&release_id=86074 > > Download the Dos exe here: http://djvomght.bei.t-online.de/GS705DOS.ZIP Out of memory is what I get when I run this binary. I have to forget about this monster for the time being. I found that some people do not differentiate between 16 bit and 32 bit dos when they introduce software. It would save some time otherwise. But I manage to find gs333dos.zip and the accompanying files by following the clue given by one of the member. I was able to launch the program but to get only garbage when I tested it on some of the pdf files. I wonder why people want to use pdf file anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:30 +1100 (EST) From: Kali McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: on linewith a PC(XT) Dearlist: SWorry toannoy you butwe hadto relaxhaving recovered a15 year old RLL drive in an original IBM personal computer. We used CUTCP, with DOSPPP, CHAT0m etc.... Yes, the keybopardisabit horrible. Anyway, we ofloaded the ASM files to archives. The plate says copyrite 1981 IMB corp manufactured by IBMcorp in Wangaratta,Australia. Byeallo Kali & James ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:18:28 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg=20Dietze?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Installing Ghostscript for 16 bit dos (Was: Re: DOS Ghostscript) Hi folks, [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 02.03.03 04:43:15: > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 05:10:25PM +1000, Ron Clarke wrote: > > Hi Folks, Joerge, > > > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:58:20 +1100, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Dietze wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > no need to use these old versions. There is an inoffical DOS compile of GS > > 7.05 > > > which works fine with the lates PDF version (1.4, Acrobat ver. 5). To build > > Your > > > own DOS version get the OS/2 package here: > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1897&release_id=86074 > > > Download the Dos exe here: http://djvomght.bei.t-online.de/GS705DOS.ZIP > > Out of memory is what I get when I run this binary. I have to forget > about this monster for the time being. > > I found that some people do not differentiate between 16 bit and 32 bit dos > when they introduce software. It would save some time otherwise. > > But I manage to find gs333dos.zip > and the accompanying files by following the clue given by one of the > member. I was able to launch the program but to get only garbage when I > tested it on some of the pdf files. > I never tested such old versions of GS. I'm afraid they won't support PDF anyway. > I wonder why people want to use pdf file anyway. > IMHO, PDF is the only real "portable document format". I create my documents usually with New Deal Office. When iI need a high quality printout I have to go to thee next copy shop since I have only an ancient Epson 24pin printer. So I print my stuff from NDO with a generic postscript printrt to file and transform it to PDF via GS. I don't have to care for the printer in the shop. The document looks as I want it (BTW, GS fonts are provided by URW company, Hamburg, like the NDO fonts :-)). I can print my documents anywhere on the whole world, on any machine, it only has to run Acrobat Reader (or GS :-)). Regards Joerg > ______________________________________________________________________________ Mit der Multi-SMS von WEB.DE FreeMail koennen Sie 760 Zeichen versenden. Informationen unter http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021184 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:11:38 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Zelite posao? - - Imate racunar i pristup internetu ??? - - Zasto to ne iskoristite i zaradite ??? Upisite ime, prezime i e-mail adresu na: http://rolee.exec.ws .. a mi cemo Vas kontaktirati i upoznati sa ovom izuzetnom poslovnom prilikom. VERUJTE NECETE BITI RAZOCARANI ! ! ! Ukljucenje je apsolutno besplatno i bez rizika. Ukoliko gornji link ne radi, posaljite mi vase ime i prezime na [EMAIL PROTECTED] a Vase je da samo potvrdite clanstvo kad Vam stigne oficijalni Email od firme. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:26:16 -0300 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fw: Zelite posao? Does anybody recognize this language ? I guess that Arachne is targeted now by something what it seems an eastern european language (latin characters) *********** Received: from 212.24.129.58 (EHLO ns.arachne.cz) (212.24.129.58) by mta108.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Mar 2003 02:56:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (104-20.InfoSky.Net [195.250.104.20]) by ns.arachne.cz (8.12.7/8.12.6) with SMTP id h22AnCBH029515 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:49:13 +0100 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Zelite posao? Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 08:11:38 - ---- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: Zelite posao? > - Imate racunar i pristup internetu ??? > > - Zasto to ne iskoristite i zaradite ??? > > Upisite ime, prezime i e-mail adresu na: > > http://rolee.exec.ws **************** When doing a Whois query it shows that the top level domain (WS) is registered by a Wisconsin Inc. company IP 169.207.37.186 Both CNAME record (rolee) share the same IP as the TLD (top level domain) ******** > > .. a mi cemo Vas kontaktirati i upoznati sa ovom izuzetnom > poslovnom prilikom. > > VERUJTE NECETE BITI RAZOCARANI ! ! ! > > Ukljucenje je apsolutno besplatno i bez rizika. > > Ukoliko gornji link ne radi, posaljite mi vase ime i prezime na > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > a Vase je da samo potvrdite clanstvo kad Vam stigne oficijalni > Email od firme. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:46:38 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fw: Proof of weapons of mass destruction - ----- Forwarded message begin ----- A journalist asks an American official, "What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" The American replies, "We kept the receipts." - ------ Forwarded message end ------ - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #2064 ******************************
