arachne-digest Wednesday, June 11 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2147
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:53:51 -0400 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #2133 On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:00:13 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 16:58:49 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >> So..... >> If I change the way the inbox works. >> And it 'jumps' to the first new message. >> Will not those old messages now be 'out of sight, out of mind' ?? <g g g> >> M your inbox. > They will at least be there in the index and I can scroll up and > take a peak to see what's there without going somewhere else to look for > them. If they are in another file altogether then they are someplace > where they will be forgotten. Left in the index, I'll be forced to do > something with them eventually. Suggestion: While you're think about it..... do it now. ;-) - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:54:23 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list... Compose, Reply, or Modify mail On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:22:34 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > The reason for this is that those 'values' do not get saved until > we 'submit' the form by pressing either the "Send Now" button or > the "Save to Outbox" button. Yes, that's what I assumed. But those fields seem to be saved and restored when I am doing an external edit of a reply? How is this different? And note that the "body of message" field DOES get saved as TEXTAREA.TMP when the external editor is called. Naturally this must occur for the text to be passed to the ext-editor. Couldn't the other fields also be saved to a temporary file, say HEADERS.TMP, and reloaded on return from the external editor? > key words.... 'at this time'. ;-) I don't know how you manage to fit in a home life, Glenn <g> from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:30:11 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [A-list] Saving a webpage > There is no need to parse the page source as the pairings are all included in > CACHE.IDX. I finally got a text version of CACHE.IDX by using the -c option > of WWWMAN to create CACHEIDX.HTM and then using HTMSTRIP to get a pure text > version so that I would not have to copy full source page reference paths > into an e-mail message. I haven't yet tried it but surely "P" would give a good text ouput of the CACHE.IDX once you're viewing it? from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:01:54 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list: Wishlist (again) On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:24:57 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: > Upload at my provider is sometimes not done (1 in 6 times) without any > error message. If there are long files to be sent the upload time is > very short and I'll be warned by that. Yes, I understand that. > Otherwise the outbox is not empty and I am warned too. But Arachne should be able to be configured so that it would show the Outbox ONLY if it was not empty at the end of the upload. Surely that would be quite sufficient. IMO returning you to the Outbox at the end of a SUCCESSFUL upload is quite unnecessary! from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:25:03 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: A-list Re: telix & LFS On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:28:23, Alejandro Li> If I forget to rename them, I can disconect the phone line only by > If I forget to rename them, I can disconect the phone line only by > rebooting the computer. That's very drastic! If you have another phone across the line, usually just lifting the handset will upset the connection enough to make the modems disconnect. Or you could unplug the phone line at the wall socket or where it plugs into the modem. I prefer an external modem for many reasons, but one of them is that I can switch it off separately to disconnect if all else fails. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:09:42 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list: Wishlist (again) On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:15:45 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > FYI, > We have had the option for several years now of > changing where we go after either POP3 or SMTP IMO the worst thing about Arachne is the documentation. OTOH Arachne itself is so wonderful that I'm learning to live with the lack of documentation. And this conference list is filling in the gaps very nicely <G> > In arachne.cfg you will find these 2 lines > which are (by default), commented-out. > ;AfterPOP3 smtp: > ;AfterSMTP file:mail.htm > Remove the ';' to 'enable' either one (or both), of them. For the time being I have changed these to AfterPOP3 file:mine.htm AfterSMTP file:mine.htm to take me back to my personal control page. Now to see whether it works... > 1) when we send just the one outgoing message we are > currently viewing/editing. We are now on the outbox with the > remaining uinsent messages shown. (not an empty outbox) Understood. But I feel that may not be useful. Certainly there are unsent messages but we have chosen to send only one, probably because it was especially urgent, and we likely aren't interested in sending others at this moment. > 2) when something goes wrong with the 'Send unsent mail' function. A message such as "Unsent mail still remaining" or "Send Mail Aborted" would do the trick, and would be needed ONLY when something went wrong. What I don't need is that a successful upload of mail is followed by Arachne saying "HERE! LOOK! ALL MAIL HAS GONE! OUTBOX IS EMPTY!" I can very well assume that a lack of error messages to the contrary is an indication that the upload has been successfully completed. > 3) just out of 'curiosity' that everything went > right and that all messages *did* get sent ;-) Yes, well.... and do you want verification that all the email has been successfully delivered? Or are you content that the Postmaster just returns the undeliverable ones? > As to POP3 and SMTP going into history.lst > I will look into this and get back to you. Thanks. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:31:26 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list: Wishlist (again) On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:25:53 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > Outgoing messages may remain in the outbox and fail to get sent for > reasons other than an SMTP upload abort. For example, due to a typo > or some other oversight you might sometimes prepare an outgoing message > that fails to comply with the RFC's. In this case the message will > remain in your outbox and fail to get sent, and you won't even get any > error messages during the SMTP session. Things like that can happen > also as a result of an occasional glitch in the matrix, even when the > SMTP session is not aborted, and even when your outgoing message is RFC > compliant. So let Arachne alert me, or alternatively open the Outbox, only when there *IS* stuff left unsent. The very lack of such an alert will then tell me that the Outbox is empty. > My preferences are differnt. After doing SMTP I would always want to be > left looking at my outbox, regardless of whatever screen I should call > the SMTP function from. Other than to see that it is empty there doesn't seem to be any point in looking at the Outbox. - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:48:02 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list... Compose, Reply, or Modify mail On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:58:26 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > This nuisance you have reported has been commented on many > times before. There is most probably a reason why it should > be so. Now that we have a GPL version of Arachne there might > some hope of fixing it. There may be a reason, or it may be that it's just the way it happened. Yes, now we have the GPL version other people may feel inclined to take a look at it. nd.dgi > IMHO, fixing this problem should go > on the back burner for now because it is just a minor nuisance > for those who are aware of the problem and know how to deal > with it. Also because some of the most minor nuisances are > often among the most difficult to fix. ote: Anything that doesn't actually cause a fatal crash of the system could be termed a minor nuisance. te: To me it is an irritation, and like most irritations if it happens often enough it can become bl**dy annoying. e: One of the reasons that I use the external editor is because of the failure of the automatic line wrap when there are any characters to the right of the cursor. I realise that this is intentional but.... : QEDIT (to use one example) overcomes this problem by wrapping the line when the cursor goes beyond the preset right margin -- note that is the CURSOR going past that point, so it is possible to create lines longer than the RH margin without turning off the wrapping function. And when an insertion is made to the middle of a line that pushes the end past the margin, QEDIT allows a reformatting of the whole paragraph by a single keystroke. Another annoying thing about Arachne's internal editor is the business of rewriting the text window every little while, which makes the screen look most peculiar until it settles down. IMO this editor needs a lot of work. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:59:35 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [A-list] Saving a webpage On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:48:22 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: > 6- view or print website.txt > This file is one very long line... not all viewers/editors like > this and it is not easy to understand it. > cache.idx is a list that states: > original filename => cache converted => cache + original extension > I had the cache.idx (website.txt) made better readable by searching for > ">" by the editor and giving an enter to break up the very long line. This can be done with QBASIC using the INPUT$ command to read one byte at a time into a string and then operate on the string. Maybe not the most efficient method but it will do it. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:27:47 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Wish List On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 13:54:04 +0100, Mel Evans wrote: > Opera is an excellent vehicle for those with Win machines who don't > want to clutter up drives with M$ bloat. It does most (not quite all) And it's FAST!!!! Especially noticable on a slow machine... > For e-mail I find Pocomail an excellent e-mailer, again in a > reasonable size package, works ok without registration, no disabled > features, just nag screens, but I liked it enough to register, just > as I did with Arachne. FoxMail is good too. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:58:40 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #2133 On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:56:49 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > If I archive them I will tend to forget all about them and never > answer them or throw them out. Once I put them in the archive they > will be out of sight and out of mind. If they stay in the inbox > eventually I'll have to do something about them because Arachne > doesn't like a clogged inbox and gets so slow that I am forced > to clean house a little. Dear God! That sounds SOOOOO familiar!!!! I find the only stuff that gets attention is the stuff left right in front of me. And sometimes even that stuff doesn't get looked at for days/months/years. > Putting something in an "archive" for me means that I have > decided to save it. I tried moving it to the "Urgent" mailbox, but I keep forgetting to look there... from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:51:29 -0700 From: "G J Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: DDL, DDU, LDD On Tue, 03 Jun 2003, "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - ------snip------------ > DDL (Device Driver Load) > ________________________ - ---------snip---------- > DDU (Device Driver Unload) > __________________________ - ---------snip---------- > LDD (List Device Drivers) > _________________________ - --------snip---------- Glenn, May we ask WHERE??? can these little goodies be obtained...??? ....gregy - -- This mail was sent by a user of Arachne - The Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:02:26 +0000 From: "Ross Virgin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: GPL version of Arachne.... .. .. Glenn McCorkle No, Glenn, I do not think anyone will be blaming you for errors, bugs, glitches. Everyone using Arachne appreciates the hours of effort you put into it. Yes, it is unfortunate that we do not hear from Clarence Verge these days. The two of you are quite a team. Hopefully his schedule will relax soon, and we will once again be able to enjoy his interesting comments on this list. Ross Virgin Toronto, Canada "No, you will not catch SARS from my e-mails... but if you are worried, wear a mask when you read them" .. .. On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:32:19 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:57:24 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: >> On Fri, 30 May 2003 08:40:34 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > <snip> >>> going to release Arachne on a GPL basis with the source code so >>> that anyone can tinker and make improvements. >> I think he must have already done that, and Glenn McCorkle has >> picked it up. > Yes, I have picked it up so-to-say. :) > The GPL version is now ready for use. > I notified Micheal and uploaded the complete package > to my web site for him to download. > (figured that would be better than sending via email attachment) > So it is now back into his hands awaiting > the actual 'release to the public'. > Unless he would also like me to that as-well. > If so.... it will be ready to for everyone to download > within just a few minutes of receiving his 'OK'. > Michael ??? > BTW, > I *wish* that Clarence would have had the time to help me on this one. > (I really miss his input) > But since he has been busy with more pressing matters. > Arachne v1.73;GPL is 100% 'my baby'. > So any problems, bugs, glitches.... etc... are also 100% my fault and > can only be blamed upon me. > -- > Glenn > http://arachne.cz/ > http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ > http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ > http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ - -- Arachne V1.66, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 18:12:56 +03.00 From: "Vladimir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ftp manager like volkov commander Hi, All. thanks all who has responded to my letter, even that who has not understood me ;-) - seems i has told for dos, and not windows any kinds. ;-) On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:43:44, Alejandro Lieber wrote: > You can try MINUET for DOS. > Search for it at http://www.fdisk.com > Works in my 80286 with only 1Mby memmory and hercules. > You don't have two panels, but you automatically get a graphical tree of > the FTP server with a list of all the files in each subdirectory. > These lists include names, file date and file size. > Very easy to navigate. > You also get a very easy menu to search files in your computer. > Excellent !!!!! don't know, don't know, i don't want jumps to minuet from arachne and back... i'm lazy very much. :-) however, i'll do test it... if found... > On 7 Jun 03 at 2:16, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: >> Hi Vladimir, >> For Windows there is Windows Commander acting just like Norton Commander >> for DOS. >> Win Commander does a very good job for FTP, with two panels. >> One panel for the computer at home and one for the remote computer. >> Download, upload, deleting and copy is very easy... >> Yes, to find such thing for DOS would be great! >> Regards, Bastiaan sorry, but seems Mr. Bastiaan has not attentive read my letter. :-) i using total commander, but i want work with ftp from anywhere, not only wins... or linux... >> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:17:00 +0300, "Vladimir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Hi, All. >> > thanks Glenn for answer about gpl... >> > now, please, may be someone answer me is there ftp manager for dos like >> > a disk managers such as volkov commander or others? i think of this type >> not... >> > because i don't found it. of course may be i had bad finds.:-) >> > but it is very simple idea - two panels ftp-manager, why nobody not make this. >> > i don't understand. littre adding;-), may be try from other side, may be is a some programm which do assign letters to ftp-server as usually disks and ANY disk manager can work with ftp as usually disks. regards, Vladimir. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:04:56 -0500 From: "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #2133 On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:53:51 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > While you're think about it..... do it now. ;-) Well, Glenn, (and I say this with my best Jimmy Stewart voice) some things require thought before action. And I see no reason to fight that inclination to think first and maybe do something later just so I can keep my inbox neat and tidy. Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA - -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:13:18 -0500 From: "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #2133 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:58:40 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: > I tried moving it to the "Urgent" mailbox, but I keep forgetting to look > there... Yeah, and the other thing I do is forget to send the mail when I write it offline. I'll be waiting a day or two for a reply and discover that the mail I want an answer to is still sitting in the outbox all ready to go. Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA - -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:01:57 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Saving a web page On 9 Jun 03 at 2:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Reply to Sender: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >One solution, which may not be the best but it works, is to press F8 to >clear the cache then reload the page. Then whatever is in the cache must be >the graphics associated with the page in question. another solution is to press SHIFT+RETURN on the picture that I like to save. Then I get only this single picture with the correct file name and can save it by F2. There is probably also a lot of graphic elements that I do NOT need to save. Christof Lange _______________________________________________ Christof Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Prokopova 4, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic phone: (+420) 222 78 06 73 / 222 78 20 02 http://www.volny.cz/cce.zizkov ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:37:26 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ftp manager like volkov commander On 6 Jun 03 at 20:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Reply to Sender: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >but it is very simple idea - two panels ftp-manager, why nobody not make >this. i don't understand. > >regards, Vladimir. Hi Vladimir, as far as I know the Russian NDN manager came very close to it. The FTP feature is, however, implemented only in the Windows version. Midnight Commander for Linux fully supports ftp panels. So you may want to create a small Linux partition and install MC, WGET and a few other utilities that complement functionality of your DOS machine. Zdrav�m, Christof Lange _______________________________________________ Christof Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Prokopova 4, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic phone: (+420) 222 78 06 73 / 222 78 20 02 http://www.volny.cz/cce.zizkov ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:21:39 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Yahoo, it's policy and it's promotion of porn {yes?} On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 08:50:41 +0000, Thomas Tabler wrote: > Dear Sam: > It's unfortunate, but whether or not Yahoo Egroups uses the > information submitted online for selling to spammers, the Yahoo website > seems to have two main features that are objectionable from a > philisophical viewpoint: 1. They allow links-URLs that go to sites > with "questionable" content, some directly to Porn sites. Anybody who would try to porn you is of the same character as those who would spam you. All are insensitive to the personal feelings of others about security and privacy and their sense of adequacy and self-esteem. >2. Their > site construction is done in such a way as to make them hard to access > using a browser less than version 5 (Internet Explorer V. 5.5 is there > "map" although they might include other open-source browsers like Opera, Opera is not an open source browser. It is like functional shareware. You can download a free version that works fine, but you have to pay and register it if you want their ad banners to go away. You are not obligated to register it and it doesn't come with a time worm providing for a "limited" free trial period. For Window$-based browsers I consider Opera a much better choice over MSIE and NetScape. Also Opera comes with a pretty good email client, but it isn't nearly as good as Arachne's. It is only better than all other Window$-based email clients I have tried. The only others I have tried are M$ Lookout, Eudora, and NetScape Communicator. > if it is version 5 or above. Arachne, since it can make some use of > HTML 4.01 Transitional and earlier 4.0 will work O.K. on only a few > pages. This has been my experience using my brother-in-law's computer > in Seattle and my sister's computer too. Even Glenn M. who worked very > hard trying to make the Arachne browser work with Yahoo, has given up > and won't write a hack. I am glad that Arachne can be useful with a > few limited pages, but I personally wouldn't use it for a lot of > extensive browsing on Yahoo, if I had an account {most of my info > has lapsed and couldn't probably be used anymore}. Others have tried very hard to make alternative DOS-based browsers to work with Yahoo. I think they have all given up too. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:01:42 -0400 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list... Compose, Reply, or Modify mail On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:54:23 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:22:34 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >> The reason for this is that those 'values' do not get saved until >> we 'submit' the form by pressing either the "Send Now" button or >> the "Save to Outbox" button. > Yes, that's what I assumed. > But those fields seem to be saved and restored when I am doing an > external edit of a reply? How is this different? Not if you changed them before hitting the "external editor" button. When we return from the external editor. Those values will be back to what they were before making the changes. > And note that the "body of message" field DOES get saved as TEXTAREA.TMP > when the external editor is called. Naturally this must occur for the > text to be passed to the ext-editor. Correct. The 'body' is saved to textarea.tmp as soon as we hit the "external editor" button. > Couldn't the other fields also be saved to a temporary file, say > HEADERS.TMP, and reloaded on return from the external editor? *If* I get quite a few requests for this 'feature'...... ;-) >> key words.... 'at this time'. ;-) > I don't know how you manage to fit in a home life, Glenn <g> Arachne development IS my 'home life'. And I ***LOVE*** it hat way. :))) - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:26:07 -0400 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list: Wishlist (again) On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:31:26 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:25:53 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: >> Outgoing messages may remain in the outbox and fail to get sent for >> reasons other than an SMTP upload abort. For example, due to a typo >> or some other oversight you might sometimes prepare an outgoing message >> that fails to comply with the RFC's. In this case the message will >> remain in your outbox and fail to get sent, and you won't even get any >> error messages during the SMTP session. Things like that can happen >> also as a result of an occasional glitch in the matrix, even when the >> SMTP session is not aborted, and even when your outgoing message is RFC >> compliant. > So let Arachne alert me, or alternatively open the Outbox, only when > there *IS* stuff left unsent. The very lack of such an alert will then > tell me that the Outbox is empty. >> My preferences are differnt. After doing SMTP I would always want to be >> left looking at my outbox, regardless of whatever screen I should call >> the SMTP function from. > Other than to see that it is empty there doesn't seem to be any point in > looking at the Outbox. OK, here we go. ;-) - --- place into arachne.cfg --- AfterSMTP file:alert.dgi ______________________________ - --- place into mime.cfg ---- file/alert.dgi |if exist $M\\*.tbs call beep.bat ____________________________ - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:16:17 -0400 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list: Wishlist (again) On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:09:42 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:15:45 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >> FYI, >> We have had the option for several years now of >> changing where we go after either POP3 or SMTP > IMO the worst thing about Arachne is the documentation. OTOH Arachne > itself is so wonderful that I'm learning to live with the lack of > documentation. And this conference list is filling in the gaps very > nicely <G> Just a thought...... Hit F1 and take the link you will find near the bottom of the page. ;-) "keywords.txt (for advanced users - list of arachne.cfg keywords)" >> In arachne.cfg you will find these 2 lines >> which are (by default), commented-out. >> ;AfterPOP3 smtp: >> ;AfterSMTP file:mail.htm >> Remove the ';' to 'enable' either one (or both), of them. > For the time being I have changed these to > AfterPOP3 file:mine.htm > AfterSMTP file:mine.htm > to take me back to my personal control page. > Now to see whether it works... >> 1) when we send just the one outgoing message we are >> currently viewing/editing. We are now on the outbox with the >> remaining uinsent messages shown. (not an empty outbox) > Understood. But I feel that may not be useful. > Certainly there are unsent messages but we have chosen to send only one, > probably because it was especially urgent, and we likely aren't > interested in sending others at this moment. >> 2) when something goes wrong with the 'Send unsent mail' function. > A message such as "Unsent mail still remaining" or "Send Mail Aborted" > would do the trick, and would be needed ONLY when something went wrong. > What I don't need is that a successful upload of mail is followed by > Arachne saying "HERE! LOOK! ALL MAIL HAS GONE! OUTBOX IS EMPTY!" > I can very well assume that a lack of error messages to the contrary > is an indication that the upload has been successfully completed. I must disagree. Analogy: Simply because no-one alerted you to the fact that you were about to be hit by a bus as you stepped off of the curb and began to cross the street does not mean that you will not be hit. <g g g> ;-) >> 3) just out of 'curiosity' that everything went >> right and that all messages *did* get sent ;-) > Yes, well.... and do you want verification that all the email has been > successfully delivered? Or are you content that the Postmaster just > returns the undeliverable ones? Is this not why the 'delivery reciept' feature was impemented many years ago ??? ;-) >> As to POP3 and SMTP going into history.lst >> I will look into this and get back to you. > Thanks. Oohhh You are most welcome. :) As I said before. It is due to the differences in how each user wants Arachne to work that keeps me interested in changing her around here-and-there. BTW, - ---- in my current "exerimental copy" of arachne.cfg --- AfterSMTP file:alert.dgi ________________________________________________________________ - ---- in my current "exerimental copy" of mime.cfg --- file/alert.dgi >HTM|if notexist $M*.TBS \n copy mail.htm $2 if exist $M*.TBS $ebeepbeep.com \n copy mail.htm $2 ________________________________________________________________ It does not work the way it's supposed to (yet). So, as they say..... "Please do not try this at home" ;-) - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #2147 ******************************
