arachne-digest Wednesday, June 25 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2160
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:48:02 +0100
From: Mel Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: connecting?
Hi Gangue (and Glenn of course)
I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I can't remember if
there was an answer or not.
Is it possible to open arachne if you are already connected, say
using IE or opera, come out, levae connected and then start up
arachne?
Regards
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:03:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANDY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CD-ROM is attached to IDE cable
for Greg Hayman from arachne list:
I have my 4x CD-ROM attached to my IDE cable as D:
I *don't* want to add a slave drive permanently...
can I temporarily disconnect the CD-ROM to setup such a *temporary* slave
drive (for copying from C: before setup as a new master HD) ?
if i set the jumpers as slave, disconnect the cd-rom and plug in the
upgrade HD to where the cd-rom was... do I have to worry about what
happens to the temp. un-used cd-rom drivers in boot-up?(I'm assuming a
slave drive doesn't need drivers even though, like the cd-rom, it's
not/wouldn't be in the CMOS Setup
please advise...
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:46:08 +0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: LifeRaft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] AT HDD upgrade (:
ANDY wrote:
>
> my 340 MB drive is packed and I am also using DriveSpace
> I need a new HDD
> if I got a larger HDD installed, would i need to partition it?
Probably the simplest solution is add a second HD to the
system. You should be able to attach it to your current
IDE cable (unless you already have a CDrom on it). It
doesn't need to be big -- even a 270mb HD (which sells for
a couple of dollars) will give you a lot of extra room.
> and if I did obtain a new larger HDD how would I transfer the
> data from my current 340 MB HDD??
By keeping your 340mb HD as master, there is no immediate need
to transfer. You just boot it as normal. Eventually, you'll
probably want to move Linux entirely to the slave HD and use
all of the master HD for DOS and Windows 3.11.
Cheers,
Steven
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:09:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANDY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: this is what i will *try* to do... :)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:05:40 +0930
From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AT HDD upgrade (:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:27:54 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote:
> How to install a second HD: in M$ DOS use FDISK. Jumpers on the 2nd HD
> set for slave. The new HD must be formated before you can write to it.
No, you do NOT use FDISK. You just set the jumper on the second hard disk
to S(lave) and attach the second connector of the IDE cable to it. Then
switch on and set the Setup to the number of cylinders etc which (if
you're lucky) is printed on the label of the HDD.
You only need FDISK if you have to partition the disk.
I recommend removing the present hard disk and running all the setup
stuff from a floppy disk. With MSDOS622 that I use, it requires making a
boot floppy and copying DEBUG.EXE, FDISK.EXE and FORMAT.COM to this boot
disk.
I strongly recommend doing a low level format on any secondhand hard
disk. With most computers, the MSDOS 6.22 commands that work will be
1) DEBUG to load DEBUG
2) G=C800:5 once DEUBG is loaded, to start the low level format
3) Q to quit debug.
This process is slow, but it will rewrite all the track and sector
markers that FORMAT can't get at, and it will also totally remove any
hidden viruses and other nasties that may be lurking on the disk.
Then you need to do an FDISK to set up the disk as a single partition,
or as multiple partitions if the HDD is larger than the computer and DOS
can handle. In my case with MSDOS622 on a 486, that limit is 512meg.
Then each partition needs to be formatted. If this is to be the main
hard disk eventually, then the first partition must be formatted as a
boot disk, using the command "FORMAT C: /S"
> To avoid problems with Fat16 or FAT32 systems (I suppose you now use
> FAT16) do not install a HD larger than 2Gb.
My 486 running MS-DOS 6.22 can't handle anything larger than 512m.
However, I'm told I can install *any* size disk and partition it with
FDISK to whatever number of partitions as long as none of them is larger
than the max size my system can handle, in my case 512meg. OTOH that is
outside my present experience so I don't know whether it's correct.
> If you just have room for one HD things become complicated, but can be
> solved :-)
As above to set up the disk. Then with the computer switched off, set
the jumper on the new disk to [S]lave and reconnect the old HDD to the
cable -- if there isn't room inside the case, one of them will have to
hang outside for the present.
As you start up, you'll have to redo the setup for the two drives.
The new HDD (or the first partition on it) will be the D: drive and the
old HDD the C: drive. You can now execute "XCOPY C:\*.* D: /S". The "/S"
causes XCOPY to recurse all the subdirectories and it makes a full copy
of the C: drive on the D: drive.
Then switch off, remove the old HDD, and change the jumper on the new
one to [M]aster, switch on and redo the Setup.
You should now see the new hard disk as the C: drive, and any extra
partitions on it as D:, E:, etc...
from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia
Home of the Bay to Birwood Vintage and Classic motor runs
http://www.baytobirdwood.com.au
Visit me at http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:52:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANDY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: would/will somebody please resend me digest 2158
would somebody on the list please
resend me arachne-digest #2158 ??
i deleted it by accident (:
please send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
thank-you in advance
andy
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:17:55 -0400
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CD-ROM is attached to IDE cable
Andy,
Is your CD-ROM connected to IDE0 or IDE1? (Is it on the same ribbon cable as
your HD?)
Do you have an open bay (either a 5.25" or 3.5") in which to put your new HD?
If you have to remove your CD-ROM, i.e., don't have an open bay or the CD-ROM
is connected as a slave on the same IDE connector as your existing HD, in
order to install a 2nd HD, you will need to REM out all the lines in
AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS that deal with the CD-ROM.
Is there any particular reason that you don't want to have two HD's in
your computer?
You would have to modify your CMOS to reflect that:
1: You no longer have a CD-ROM if you have to remove it, and,
2. You have two HD's and to include the parameters of the second drive.
You can get the parameters of drives either from the label on the drive,
from the drive manufacturer's web site, or, for an *old* HD (which a 525 MB
HD would be), or from tables in Scott Mueller's "Upgrading and Repairing PCs."
Some drives, e.g., Western Digital, require that there be *no* jumper
installed if the drive is an "only" drive. If you have two drives on the
same ribbon cable, one *has* to be jumpered as the Master, and the other
*has* to be jumpered as the Slave.
HTH
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona
Andy wrote:
. > I have my 4x CD-ROM attached to my IDE cable as D:
. > I *don't* want to add a slave drive permanently...
. > can I temporarily disconnect the CD-ROM to setup such a *temporary* slave
. > drive (for copying from C: before setup as a new master HD) ?
. > if i set the jumpers as slave, disconnect the cd-rom and plug in the
. > upgrade HD to where the cd-rom was... do I have to worry about what
. > happens to the temp. un-used cd-rom drivers in boot-up?(I'm assuming a
. > slave drive doesn't need drivers even though, like the cd-rom, it's
. > not/wouldn't be in the CMOS Setup
. > please advise...
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:30:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANDY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Would Somebody Please e-mail me #2158?!?
Would Somebody *Please* Send me via my private e-mail; arachne-digest V1
#2158??? please send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it just came out Sunday(Jun. 22, 2003)
i deleted it by accident and i can't access the web archive using my
netscape browser (:
*please*
andy
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:04:52 -0400
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: connecting?
lo Mel,
It should be possible. But you'd need a different cfg file than for
dialup ...
You'd need to use the 'ready' line under connection (I can't recall
it precisely right now) but what else you'd need to do I'm not sure.
It's been so long since I've done dial up, I can't remember what Arachne
does or does not need to be told.
l.d.
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:48:02 +0100, Mel Evans wrote:
> Hi Gangue (and Glenn of course)
> I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I can't remember if
> there was an answer or not.
> Is it possible to open arachne if you are already connected, say
> using IE or opera, come out, levae connected and then start up
> arachne?
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:31:22 +1000
From: "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: message sorting order
Hi Greg,
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:00:23 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote:
> Hi List!
> Is there any way of telling Arachne _not_ to sort the outbox by date of
> last ammendment, and to leave the messages in the order they were
> originally written?
The only obvious way is to "amend" them in the order you want them to
be listed - even if some "amends" do not include any actual change.
They appear to be listed in file number sequence, and the file name
given by Arachne is chronologically sequential.
Regards,
Ron
Ron Clarke
AUSREG Consultancy http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html
Tadpole Tunes http://tadpole.mytunebook.de/
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:55:48 -0400
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: connecting?
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:48:02 +0100, Mel Evans wrote:
> Hi Gangue (and Glenn of course)
> I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I can't remember if
> there was an answer or not.
> Is it possible to open arachne if you are already connected, say
> using IE or opera, come out, levae connected and then start up
> arachne?
IE .... no.
yKmY-�`
IIRC,
Opera is also a windows program.
If so,
Opera .... no.
Arachne requires that a DOS packet driver be loaded.
The only way to use Arachne with the windows 'TCP/IP stack' is
in a 'DosBox' while inside of Win9x by-way-of STUB.EXE which is
no-longer being developed and is no longer available for download.
It was developed as an experiment (just to see if it *could* be done),
and was stickly designed for use with a special version of CORE.EXE v1.50
which was compiled specifically for use with STUB.EXE
AFAIK,
It will not work with any other version of CORE.EXE
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:06:19 -0400
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: would/will somebody please resend me digest 2158
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:52:45 -0400 (EDT), ANDY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> would somebody on the list please
> resend me arachne-digest #2158 ??
> i deleted it by accident (:
> please send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> thank-you in advance
Hi Andy,
(and anyone else who might be interested)
I can send any digest you would like all the way back to #550.
(got 'em all archived in e:\arachne\digest\digest.zip) ;-)
However,
You can get them from majordomo by-use-of this simple email.
Send just these 2 lines to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (no subject needed)
get arachne-digest v01.n2158
end
(the 'end' command will prevent majordomo from attempting to
process your signature as additional commands)
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:39:34 +0930
From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I delete messages ?
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:44:38, LIMA S.A. wrote:
> I was thinking in a sigle key press to delete the message.
> In Pegasus Mail for DOS, I just press <delete> while reading a
> message, and the following message appears.
> I think that it would be very convenient to have this facility
> in InSight.
What I would _really_ like to see is a whole string of keyboard commands
that work only when reading incoming mail, such as "A" to Archive the
message, "M" to move it, "D" or "Delete" to delete it, "R" to reply, and
so on.
Just thought I'd toss in my 2 dollars worth (two cents these days is
ridiculous).
from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia
Home of the Bay to Birwood Vintage and Classic motor runs
http://www.baytobirdwood.com.au
Visit me at http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:48:31 +0930
From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I delete messages ?
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:15:55 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> If you have 'Realtime smooth scrolling ("Netscape") ' turned on.
> Use Shift+Arrow to move the 'mouse cursor'.
I've just turned it on and I find the arrow keys will now scroll the
message through the window.
> We can also 'tab' to any link or button using our TAB key.
But only the ones that are on-screen, with or without smooth scrolling
enabled. You have to use the up-arrow to scroll the message back to the
top of the message window before you can use the Tab key to get to the
buttons up there.
I found one way of 100% keyboard control is to Tab or Shift-arrow until
the pointer is on the Trash button or any other button, such as the
Archive or the ">>" one, then when you hit enter, that message
disappears and the next one comes up.
You use down-arrow to scroll through the message and read it, then
up-arrow to take you back to the top. The cursor is still on the same
button and you only need to hit enter to go to the next message.
from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia
Home of the Bay to Birwood Vintage and Classic motor runs
http://www.baytobirdwood.com.au
Visit me at http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:29:27 +0930
From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #2157
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:16:03 -0800, Ray Andrews wrote:
> Hi All,
>> Register... don't register.
>> It's up to you.
>> Just please use the darned thing. Would ya' ? ;-)
> You mean it is still possible to register?? I thought, with Michael
> now so disinterested in Arachne, that registration was pointless -- especially
> if the GPL version won't be using registration anyway. Please enlighten.
Registration is going to reward Michael for the work he has done, but
it's not going to confer any benefits on the user.
Pointless? I guess it's in the mind of the person paying out the cash.
from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia
Home of the Bay to Birwood Vintage and Classic motor runs
http://www.baytobirdwood.com.au
Visit me at http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm
- -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 02:30:23 +00
From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD-ROM is attached to IDE cable
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:17:55 -0400, Roger Turk wrote:
> Andy,
> Is your CD-ROM connected to IDE0 or IDE1? (Is it on the same ribbon cable as
> your HD?)
> Do you have an open bay (either a 5.25" or 3.5") in which to put your new HD?
> If you have to remove your CD-ROM, i.e., don't have an open bay or the CD-ROM
> is connected as a slave on the same IDE connector as your existing HD, in
> order to install a 2nd HD, you will need to REM out all the lines in
> AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS that deal with the CD-ROM.
Use semi-colons (;) in CONFIG.SYS at the start of a line, no REM.
Bastiaan
> Is there any particular reason that you don't want to have two HD's in
> your computer?
> You would have to modify your CMOS to reflect that:
> 1: You no longer have a CD-ROM if you have to remove it, and,
> 2. You have two HD's and to include the parameters of the second drive.
> You can get the parameters of drives either from the label on the drive,
> from the drive manufacturer's web site, or, for an *old* HD (which a 525 MB
> HD would be), or from tables in Scott Mueller's "Upgrading and Repairing PCs."
> Some drives, e.g., Western Digital, require that there be *no* jumper
> installed if the drive is an "only" drive. If you have two drives on the
> same ribbon cable, one *has* to be jumpered as the Master, and the other
> *has* to be jumpered as the Slave.
> HTH
> Roger Turk
> Tucson, Arizona
> Andy wrote:
> .. > I have my 4x CD-ROM attached to my IDE cable as D:
> .. > I *don't* want to add a slave drive permanently...
> .. > can I temporarily disconnect the CD-ROM to setup such a *temporary* slave
> .. > drive (for copying from C: before setup as a new master HD) ?
> .. > if i set the jumpers as slave, disconnect the cd-rom and plug in the
> .. > upgrade HD to where the cd-rom was... do I have to worry about what
> .. > happens to the temp. un-used cd-rom drivers in boot-up?(I'm assuming a
> .. > slave drive doesn't need drivers even though, like the cd-rom, it's
> .. > not/wouldn't be in the CMOS Setup
> .. > please advise...
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:02:19 +0930
From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: message sorting order
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:31:22 +1000, Ron Clarke wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:00:23 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote:
>> Hi List!
>> Is there any way of telling Arachne _not_ to sort the outbox by date of
>> last ammendment, and to leave the messages in the order they were
>> originally written?
> The only obvious way is to "amend" them in the order you want them to
> be listed - even if some "amends" do not include any actual change.
Yes, I'd have to modify every message as it appears in the #1 slot,
until I'd gone through the lot.
> They appear to be listed in file number sequence, and the file name
> given by Arachne is chronologically sequential.
Agreed, that seems to be the way it works.
I wonder why Arachne writes the modified version as a new message,
rather than just saving it under the original name.
from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia
Home of the Bay to Birwood Vintage and Classic motor runs
http://www.baytobirdwood.com.au
Visit me at http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm
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