arachne-digest Sunday, June 29 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2163
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:56:47 +1000
From: "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #2160
Hi Folks,
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:56:17 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:
> Glenn, even a registered user of Arachne would want the unsubscribe
> function fixed! It's rude to offer a list to the public that has
> no "unsubscribe function".
> Also, many who want to follow the list want to unsubscribe from
> time to time due to vacations or other planned time away from
> home.
Or this registered user who changes his email addresses from time to
time, to duck the spam and worms, would need to be able to unsubscribe
one address and subscribe another.
Michael, we really need you to fix it. :)
Regards,
Ron
Ron Clarke
AUSREG Consultancy http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html
Tadpole Tunes http://tadpole.mytunebook.de/
- -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:43:46 -0400
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #2160
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:14:37 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote:
> Last year, 9 July 2002, Michael sent me the registration key after he
> received the money from me.
> I just did the banknotes (euro) in an envelope and send it to his home
> address.
> No big deal, is it?
I agree.... no big deal at-all. :))
Just in case anyone might be wondering.
Michael sent to me, all of the files needed for compiling a version of
core.exe which *will* read the registration key.
That's the one I'm using it right now.
However, he has decided to keep the program which *generates* those
keys to himself.
IMO,
To me, this is further evidence that in his eyes....
Arachne is NOT dead. :)))
BTW,
As you all must know by now.
Development of v1.71;UE01 is now "closed".
(has been since its release to the public on Oct. 30, 2002)
You may consider this email to be the official notification that
development of v1.73;UE02 is also now "closed".
(since I am the only person who uses this copy.... that makes no
difference to anyone else)
Development will now proceed using the version number 1.73;GPL
The GPL version will *not* read the registration keys.
(but all 'features' are enabled just as-if you *did* have a key)
All we need now is an 'OK' from Michael to make that "official". ;-)
- --
Glenn
http://arachne.cz/
http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:59:11 -0400
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joining the WISH LIST...
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:05:42 -0930, Kevin JCJD Symons wrote:
> A problem that I have met on several occasions is accidentally touching
> the grey "+" key, which takes me back to the video set up.
> Can this be disconnected from my configuration?
Nope.... the "+" key is 'hard coded' to step us up to the
next video resolution.
from 640x480 to 800x600
from 800x600 to 1024x768
In some cases (where that res. is not available in your current setup),
the video setup screen will now pop-up.
I'm sorry to say that the only 'fix' for this would be to place a
'block' of some kind over top of your "+" key so that it can't be
pressed without first removeing that block.
BTW,
Does something similar happen if you hit "-" ?
(minus of-course steps-down in res.)
- --
Glenn
http://arachne.cz/
http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:41:37 +0200
From: webmaster<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ADV------|��С��ҵ�����ľ��ѷ�����|------ADV
�װ������ѣ�
�������ã�
�����������������б���Ƽ���������˾���ʺ��л���տ�����ʼ���������ϵ�ϣ��
���ܳ�Ϊ�����ڹ��������Ҫ��顣������һ�Ҳ���������¼����ᾧ���о����ƹ�ͷ�չ
�¼����������ڻ�������Ϣ��������ע������������������ĸ��¼�����ҵ���������
��:http://www.host-china.com
��˾��2003����ȫ���������ʻ������������������Ƴ������²�Ʒ�����пռ䶼֧��
���ݿ⣨linux+PHP+Mysql;NT+asp+acess�����⽫��������ֵ��ѡ��
����1.60M�ռ�+60M��ҵ�ʾ� + ��һ�������� ������ȫ�棬����236Ԫ/�ꡣ
����2.100M�ռ䣫100M��ҵ���䣫1����������������ȫ�棬����336Ԫ/�ꡣ
����
�����������Ǿ���Ϊ���ṩ��õķ��������ų�����ʧ�������������������Ը����
�˿Ҳ������Ϊ����һ���IJ���������������ġ��������dz�ŵ�����������ⰴʵ����
���˿�벻Ҫֱ�ӻظ�,�ظ��뷢:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
����ף�����ģ�˳����
����������������������������������������webmaster of http://www.host-china.com
�����б���Ƽ���������˾��������
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
�е�Ⱥ���ʼ�,������������ר����(http://www.21cmm.com)
��CMM��У(http://www.21cmm.com)������Ŀ����ר��
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:12:34 -0930
From: "Kevin JCJD Symons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joining the WISH LIST...
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:59:11 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:05:42 -0930, Kevin JCJD Symons wrote:
>> A problem that I have met on several occasions is accidentally touching
>> the grey "+" key, which takes me back to the video set up.
>> Can this be disconnected from my configuration?
> Nope.... the "+" key is 'hard coded' to step us up to the
> next video resolution.
I suspected, but thought that it was worth a try... <G>
> BTW,
> Does something similar happen if you hit "-" ?
> (minus of-course steps-down in res.)
The screen goes into "large character". "Arachne for the visually
impaired"-mode!
[I just tried that, with severe trepidation!]
Thanks, Glenn...
Cooee and Love,
Kevin... XXXXXXXXXXX
= in chilly Adelaide, South Australia, South Australia
Gourmet Capital of the world =
- -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:09:25 -0400
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Joining the WISH LIST...
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:12:34 -0930, Kevin JCJD Symons wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:59:11 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:05:42 -0930, Kevin JCJD Symons wrote:
>>> A problem that I have met on several occasions is accidentally touching
>>> the grey "+" key, which takes me back to the video set up.
>>> Can this be disconnected from my configuration?
>> Nope.... the "+" key is 'hard coded' to step us up to the
>> next video resolution.
> I suspected, but thought that it was worth a try... <G>
>> BTW,
>> Does something similar happen if you hit "-" ?
>> (minus of-course steps-down in res.)
> The screen goes into "large character". "Arachne for the visually
> impaired"-mode!
> [I just tried that, with severe trepidation!]
> Thanks, Glenn...
No proooooblemmmmm. ;-)
Here's a screen-cap of what happens when *I* hit "+"
when I'm already at 800x600 (HiColor mode)
Since all I have is 1MB of video Ram and 1024x768 HiColor requres 2MB....
This is what happens.
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/images/1024x768.gif
- --
Glenn
http://arachne.cz/
http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:24:59 +0900
From: "Kali Mclaughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: format and fdisk
Dear List:
I am completely confused about formatting and fdisking. There is a "low
level format" thing as well that my Pentium wont do, but the good old
386 will.
I am told that to clean up a HDD you run fdisk, and then format.com with
switches for HDD rather than floppy. It seems to be different with DRDOS
which I use normally. Its fdisk seems to do the formatting.
Andy in a previous posting said that if there is no need for partitions
then fdisk is not needed.
The issue arises because I am still in the dark about why half my HDDs
refuse to load UMSDOS system for Monkeylinux. It seems unrelated to what
DOS is being booted, but to what DOS "made" the disk. SYS.COM does not
seem to alter the acceptability of the disk to Monkey.
Perhaps DRDOS fdisk is messing up my HDDs?
Regards all
Kali
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:56:33 -0400
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: format and fdisk
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:24:59 +0900, Kali Mclaughlin wrote:
> Dear List:
> I am completely confused about formatting and fdisking. There is a "low
> level format" thing as well that my Pentium wont do, but the good old
> 386 will.
> I am told that to clean up a HDD you run fdisk, and then format.com with
> switches for HDD rather than floppy. It seems to be different with DRDOS
> which I use normally. Its fdisk seems to do the formatting.
DrDos Fdisk does not 'format' the partition.
Rather, it simply 'verifies' the clusters which have just been
assigned to the newly created partition.
AFAIK,
Most (if not all), versions of Fdisk do this.
Even Linux Fdisk does not format the partition.
Format is still needed to make sure that the partition is
'clean' and ready to use.
> Andy in a previous posting said that if there is no need for partitions
> then fdisk is not needed.
Fdisk is still needed even if you intend to use the entire HDD as one
huge partition.
You simply create a 'Primary partition' which uses the entire drive.
But Dos will not be able to see partitions of greater than 2gig
> The issue arises because I am still in the dark about why half my HDDs
> refuse to load UMSDOS system for Monkeylinux. It seems unrelated to what
> DOS is being booted, but to what DOS "made" the disk. SYS.COM does not
> seem to alter the acceptability of the disk to Monkey.
Sorry... I know nothing about MonkeyLinux.
> Perhaps DRDOS fdisk is messing up my HDDs?
Not very likely.
I use no other Fdisk but OpenDos v7.01
And I have *never* had so-much-as a single bad cluster.... *ever* :))))
- --
Glenn
http://arachne.cz/
http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/
http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:39:41 -0500
From: "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #2160
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:43:46 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
(regarding Michael)
> However, he has decided to keep the program which *generates* those
> keys to himself.
> IMO,
> To me, this is further evidence that in his eyes....
> Arachne is NOT dead. :)))
Without communication directly from Michael it's hard to know
what he might be thinking. He has spoken several times of his
plans (maybe just his dream) for the all new version two of Arachne.
And I thought he was clear that he would do no more work on
the current version.
Too bad we don't hear from him once in awhile.
Sam Ewalt
Croswell, Michigan, USA
- -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:17:26 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: format and fdisk
Hi Kali,
Maybe this will help ... I think it's close to being accurate. Perhaps
one of the true techies on the list will add the necessary corrections.
However, this is how things were explained to me.
- ---
The "low level format thing" you described probably refers to the
interface between the system of HDD addressing and the BIOS. The original
PCs used cylinder-head-sector (CHS) addressing, which (for technical
reasons related to numbering) has serious size limitations. This system
was replaced by the sector translation method, which is essentially a
virtual address system.
The older BIOS doesn't query the HDD for the CHS parameters, so you have
to do it manually. If you use a newer drive, it's easy. If you (manually
with an older BIOS) can just enter the correct capacity of the drive, the
drive itself will make the correct parameter match. The only MAJOR
problem is adding an old drive to an old computer, because everything
must be entered manually and must be exact.
The Pentium still interrogates the drive, you just don't see it.
- ---
HDDs have a master partition table in the first physical sector of the
disk. It is offset from the start of the disk by 364 bytes and consists
of 64 bytes. The 64 bytes are subdivided into four 16 byte sections,
which allows a maximum of 4 partitions.
FDISK writes to the master partition table (MPT). Within each section,
the byte at offset 04(hex) - the System Indicator Byte (SIB) - defines
the file system used inside that partition.
FORMAT creates the File Allocation Tables for the partitions defined as
DOS. Try using FORMAT /MBR to insure that you overwrite the old Master
Boot Record in the primary DOS partition.
FDISK (or a similar program with a different name) is always required at
some point in time after the manufacture of the physical HDD, otherwise
the MPT wouldn't exist. However, once the original values are set - and
the user is happy with all the settings - then there is no reason to
FDISK again.
- ---
If you could manage to read directly the data in each MPT and MBR, it
would be interesting to see if FDISK and FORMAT from MSDOS and DRDOS
write identical values. Since the actions of FDISK and FORMAT are so well
defined (and confined), I'm surprised that you are having this problem.
Perhaps you have a corrupted file that writes a faulty value to the MPT
or MBR. Try also formatting with the opposite DOS that was used to FDISK
and see if the problem follows FDISK or FORMAT. Also, check one FDISK
with the other version and see if they return the same values in the pop
up window.
If you're sure that the DRDOS FDISK is messing up the HDDs, then just use
a MSDOS boot floppy to FDISK and then install DRDOS.
Warm regards from sunny Arizona.
Bob ~
- ---
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 "Kali Mclaughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dear List:
> I am completely confused about formatting and fdisking. There is a
> "low level format" thing as well that my Pentium wont do, but the good
> old 386 will.
>
> I am told that to clean up a HDD you run fdisk, and then format.com
> with switches for HDD rather than floppy. It seems to be different with
> DRDOS which I use normally. Its fdisk seems to do the formatting.
>
> Andy in a previous posting said that if there is no need for
> partitions then fdisk is not needed.
>
> The issue arises because I am still in the dark about why half my
> HDDs refuse to load UMSDOS system for Monkeylinux. It seems unrelated
to
> what DOS is being booted, but to what DOS "made" the disk. SYS.COM does
> not seem to alter the acceptability of the disk to Monkey.
>
> Perhaps DRDOS fdisk is messing up my HDDs?
>
> Regards all
> Kali
>
>
________________________________________________________________
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:56:03 +0000
From: Neo Sze Wee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NNEWS.ZIP
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 10:23:44PM +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > At last.... read (no sending yet) news groups (NNTP) with
> > Arachne.
>
> Hi Alejandro,
>
> this weekend I have been playing a lot with UKA-PPP/YARN,
> including your recently posted Arachne APM. Here is my comment.
>
> Regards
> Christof Lange
>
>
>
>
> UKA-PPP/YARN
> ------------
>
> I started to like a lot YARN ver. 0.92 and set it up for use
Is there an option to download headers, select interested headers and
download the bodies of the selected headers, all done offline?
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:23:37 +0200
From: "Michal H. Tyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: format and fdisk
Hello Kali, hello Glenn,
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:24:59 +0900, Kali Mclaughlin wrote:
> I am completely confused about formatting and fdisking. There is a "low
> level format" thing as well that my Pentium wont do, but the good old
> 386 will.
Low-level formatting means putting track and sector address marks
on the magnetic surface of the disk. This is needed only for floppies
and old non-IDE (i.e., without integrated controller) hard disks
that were used in XT machines; please do not confuse true HD controller
cards with their own BIOS and dedicated cables with the ISA, VLB or PCI
host adapters (unfortunately, often also called `controllers') with
just a standard 40-pin IDE connector(s).
Low-level formatting of an IDE hard disk is done by its manufacturer
and normally shouldn't be performed by the user. It's very unlikely
that it can do anything good and may be even harmful (IDE disks have
their internal bad sector maps and other tables, which are not visible
at DOS or BIOS level, and you can destroy them by low-level format;
at least I have a book that says so).
If you wish to physically wipe out all data on your hard disk (i.e.,
fill all sectors with zeros), use a tool like WIPEINFO from older
versions of Norton Utilities or similar. DOS FORMAT only writes new
empty root directory and new File Allocation Table with all clusters
marked as empty (or bad, if needed); it is not low-level format
(but on floppies, DOS FORMAT does low-level formatting, unless it
is a `quick format' -- `FORMAT /Q'). DOS FDISK only writes new
partition tables and initializes their boot records.
> I am told that to clean up a HDD you run fdisk, and then format.com with
> switches for HDD rather than floppy. It seems to be different with DRDOS
> which I use normally. Its fdisk seems to do the formatting.
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:56:33 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> DrDos Fdisk does not 'format' the partition.
> Rather, it simply 'verifies' the clusters which have just been
> assigned to the newly created partition.
Well, not exactly. DR-DOS FDISK does format the newly created
partition, so you don't have to run FORMAT on it. (BTW, In the
old versions of DR-DOS, FORMAT worked only with floppies!)
But the partition formatted with FDISK isn't identical to one
formatted with FORMAT. FORMAT uses newer style (DOS 4.0+) of
so-called BIOS Parameter Block, so it may be a good idea to apply
FORMAT anyway.
>> Perhaps DRDOS fdisk is messing up my HDDs?
> Not very likely.
> I use no other Fdisk but OpenDos v7.01
There is a small problem with partitions created with DR-DOS 7.03
(or maybe 7.02+, I forgot): the so-called OEM label is set to
"DRDOS 7", whereas some software requires it to be like
"AAAAA#.#" (e.g., "IBM 3.3", "MSDOS5.0", etc.)
This may cause the partition to be incorrectly recognized by
some programs, and (in very special cases of partitions smaller
than 128 Mbytes, if I remember) may even lead to data corruption
when the partition is accessed from MS-DOS.
More details on this can be found in OpenDOS and FreeDOS mailing lists
archives (on topica.com and delorie.com, respectively).
> And I have *never* had so-much-as a single bad cluster.... *ever* :))))
Well, this is in no way related to DOS version.
Hope this helps,
Michal
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:48:53 +0300 (EEST)
From: Hristo Iliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Yes, there are USB drivers for DOS
Hello ,
This is may be interesting for some of you :) That article
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215
says there are USB drivers for DOS from Panasonic. I don't test it,
because I use mostly linux and USB already work on it :)
Check article and I'm waiting your comments if it really works and what
USB hardware work with these drivers. Maybe it'll be good to add support
for USB modems in Arachne :) There is link to Panasonic's site , but in
Japanese and I don't understand this language :) as far as i understand
it's for DVD-ROM/CD-R/RW/CD-ROM .
p.s. BTW Is Linux version of Arachne will be GPL-ed or only DOS version
??? Or they are the same ? What about flowerpot ? Is it still in
development ?
All the best : Ik0
- --
http://iko-world.hit.bg
E-mail: iko at unix-bg dot org
ICQ# 70729418
GnuPG key: http://iko.nm.ru/gpg/
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:49:43 +0200
From: "Michal H. Tyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rejecting zero address again
Hello Glenn, hello all,
I got "Rejecting zero address" again. This time I can provide
more details, if it helps. It happened twice at Arachne
startup: there was black screen (not filled yet) with just
the status bar at the bottom with this error message; my
initial page is set to HOME.HTM.
I got the error also once more, just after downloading mail
(after the message `Processing inbox.dgi').
I had to Ctrl+Alt+Delete Arachne in all the cases.
Today I got another error: `BOOTP/DHCP failed' (and hang);
there was indeed some problem with the DHCP server: when I
rebooted to Winblows, WINIPCFG said `DHCP server not available'.
I admit that my system configuration is rather unusual
(two network cards with ODI drivers, one bound to IPX protocol
for Personal NetWare client and server, the other to PKT2ODI
Packet Driver emulator, PNW server and DR-DOS Mutitasker running),
but I never experienced trouble with Arachne on another machine
running the Server and Multitasker.
Anyway, I'll get fixed IP address on July 1, and I hope to get
rid of all that troubles.
Greetings,
Michal
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:15:58 -0500
From: =?windows-1252?Q?Jos=E9=20Antonio=20Pineda=20Figueroa?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A-list: Re: message sorting order
Interesting discussion this one, guys...
As far as I remember, PKZIP (and perhaps also Winzip, haven't checked yet)
is capable of changing the time stamp of any file it compresses/uncompresses
so that you are given the option of given the original creation date to the
file you are uncompressing (let's suppose it's the unzip case), or the date
when it was archived, or the date of uncompression...
Arachne could and perhaps SHOULD give me the very same options, as we've
seen it's possible...
On the other hand, me too thinkest writing an entirley new file for any
message you just "touch" isn't the wisest behaviour... haven't chekced it,
however, since I use Opera for mailing and Arachne as a learning tool... (and a
very good one, indeed); as well as a DOS/Linux thin and fast HTML viewer...
25/06/03 20:57:52, "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi�:
>On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:24:37 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
>
>>> I wonder why Arachne writes the modified version as a new message,
>>> rather than just saving it under the original name.
>
>> For the same reason that *any* file we modify
>> and then save to disk gets 're-dated'. ;-)
>
>No Glenn, I said "under the original NAME".
>
>For example I wrote one message to the outbox and checked it under DOS
>DIR. At that stage it was named 05657326.TBS.
>
>I then modified the message and rechecked. It was now named 05657414.TBS
>so it is obvious that Arachne creates a NEW file after a modify.
>
>To test the sorting order, I wrote two messages to the outbox a few
>minutes apart.
>
>DIR showed the two files as
> 05657558.TBS 25-06-03 17:13
>and 05657573.TBS 25-06-03 17:15
>
[mensaje truncado]
------------------------------
End of arachne-digest V1 #2163
******************************
