arachne-digest Sunday, February 27 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1016 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 04:16:52 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ngs aren't mail [Re: PC-Pine for DOS doesn't like NWCACH To pull from or post to news groups, you don't use either POP3 or SMTP. You use whatever your ISP says is the proper "news" address. Sometimes that is just news.ispname.here or sometimes it is a "rental" news server. Sometimes with the "rental" servers you also have to transmit a valid username & password [not yours, your ISP's]. If you are trying to send posts to ngs via SMTP you *will* get a lockup cuz it can't be done that way! <G> As to getting old messages with the new from an ng, it is up to YOU [if not done automatically like NetTamer does it] to tell the ng server LIST 2345- iow, YOU have to be the one to tell the server what messages you want. If you dig into the NetTamer docs & stuff, it can give you a decent idea of how to get a "list" starting with a specific number, or a "list" of just the subject lines & message numbers, etc etc etc. The news server doesn't know you from Adam, so you have to be the boss. l.d. ==== On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:09:06 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:25:47 +0100 (CET), (Richard Menedetter) wrote: >> Hi >> "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> SH> Also with PC-PINE, I can view newsgroup posts but cannot reply to a >> SH> post or send a post. >> SH> I believe PC-PINE is supposed to be capable of sending posts as well >> SH> as retrieving them. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Sending posts >> SH> and replying to posts in newsgroups doesn't work for me. >> What is the problem ?? >> I can post to newsgroups without any problem ... >> the only problem I have, is that it exits, if the newsgrouplist is too >> large to fit in memory. > Here is my description of the problem: > When I attempt to compose a note to post to a newsgroup, or if I should > attempt to forward a post, or reply to a post, a message will appear at > the bottom of my screen saying "Validating Newsgroups". Usually the > computer is locked up at this point and I have to do a cold re-boot. > Sometimes an error message is returned saying that no smtp server has been > identified for posting to newsgroups. I can find nowhere in my setup file > any place where a separate entry for the smtp server is required for > posting to newsgroups. > Here is another problem: Whenever I access a newsgroup, all of the old > messages that I've already read are also displayed. I try to exclude > the old messages, but that doesn't happen. Whenever I do a news run I > will get all the new postings plus all the old ones. I don't know what > I'm doing wrong. > Using PC-PINE for sending and retrieving ordinary email messages works > just fine for me. The problem is that I cannot post to a newsgroup and > another problem is that it always gets the same old stuff every time it > does a news retrieval. > Sam Heywood > -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 03:57:08 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Cache size [*NOT* Re: Arachne load error] Thomas is correct. The only limit on number of files in cache that Michael has in the software is a top limit of 256 on the *report* of number of files in cache. <G> It's fun ... hit F8 and the percentage starts moving over the green bar ... but then it disappears as your HDD deletes more and more files. <MG> I've even had my Norton Commander politely tell me "Not enough memory to show more than 550 files ..." in the cache directory. <G> A full cache has never caused me to crash. Lots of *other* things have, over the dozen or so versions I've run [or attempted to run in the earlier days], but never the cache being too full. Superfull cache can slow things down, with software having to sort through the index to find what it's looking for. l.d. ==== On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 03:58:55 -0500 (EST), Thomas Mueller wrote: > .... Michael P. has set a limit on 256 items in the cache and when it reaches > that limit, Arachne just stops! Clearing the cache (and CACHE.IDX) with the > F8 key will usually get Arachne zipping along again. On one of my computers > I have Cache and CACHE.IDX on a resizeable RAM drive that clears every time I > leave Arachne; on another computer, I hit F8 after I hang up. The "sleep" > problem has not really been a problem with 1.6b1. > When did Arachne start having a limit of 256 items in the cache? I have > exceeded 1000 and could tell, from the DOS prompt, by typing 'dir cache' when in > the Arachne directory. > Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology > http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 03:39:16 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: history list growing by leaps and bounds I have never deleted or "cleaned up" my history list. I know for a fact it simply does not stay around forever -- if it did, I could find stuff about where I was a couple of days ago. <G> I just went and checked my old history.lst, in 1.5s.r.c. with hundreds of days of heavy usage, searches, etc ... and it is only about 15K total size. IOW, everything I've ever done in that version is *not* in the history list. There are two rules to remember: 1. Don't sweat the small stuff. 2. Everything is small stuff. l.d. ==== On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:33:27 +0200, Or Botton wrote: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:56:59 +-0100XYZ(nWxst), Neil Parks wrote: >> My history list is getting very large--some 260 entries totalling over >> 12000 bytes. I don't want to del it entirely. Is there some way to >> limit its size within Arachne, or must I use a text editor? > I agree. Seems like a good ideas (limiting size, not duplicate URLs..) > BTW, for the meanwhile, either use a text-editor, or do what I do: > just delete the file. :) > Arachne will generate a new one the next time you run it. (or you can > just compress it and store it somewhere.) > Or Botton > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." > ----------------------------- > http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/ - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 05:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: PC-Pine for DOS doesn't like NWCACHE Sam Heywood and Ricsi, If the user posts to and downloads from specified newsgroups, why would PC-PINE try to read the entire newsgroup list? Is that what happens? Is there no place in PC-PINE to keep track of or edit the news message numbers? UKA_PPP doesn't insist on knowing all the other newsgroups, and it keeps track of message numbers so as not to download the same stuff repeatedly, and there is no trouble posting news messages. If I try Pine, it will be the new 4.20 or 4.21 for Linux and/or OS/2 Warp; I feel warned against the DOS version. Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:40:48 -0800 From: "Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Dead...!!..??? Man....this list is dead all or a sudden...I haven't received anything for over 14-hours....not that I'm looking for a handout mind you, but, is this server still up........<g g g> .........gregy - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:27:05 -0500 From: "Howard Eisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne:No connection to SMPT-server (please help) "Christoph Belitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (I personally use Arachne in combination with GMX since months and > it works quite good.) This is a test of smtp-after-pop using mail.gmx.net and Arachne. Howard Eisenberger Ottawa, Canada - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:41:36 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DR-DOS 7.01 or 7.03 I am going to be downloading a copy of DR-DOS to install on a friend's 386 along with Arachne. I have been using DR-DOS 7.01 on one of my own boxes and haven't tried 7.02 or 7.03. I was going to download 7.03 for my friend, but I seem to remember someone (Glen McCorkle maybe?) posting that they had some kind of problem with 7.03. All 3 versions are still at the FTP site, so I am wondering which one works best with Arachne on "Legacy" hardware. Thanks, Binky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 05:58:20 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PC-Pine for DOS doesn't like NWCACHE Hello: On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:28:45 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) wrote: > Hi > "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [PINE] > SH> Here is my description of the problem: > You don't do anything wrong ... > That's IMHO normal behaviour. Yes, once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken. Anyway ALL problems mentioned in my posts on this subject are now solved. A guru in the newsgroup, "comp.mail.pine" stepped in and helped me out. I can now use PC-PINE to delete or exclude old newsgroup messages and to reply to or forward messages, and to compose and post new messages. No problems, except that NWCACHE doesn't work with PC-PINE for DOS. Even that is not a significant problem. Even without a disk cache I'm satisfied with my PC's performance when doing very simple tasks such as using a mail client. I just have to remember to reload the disk cache before entering my Arachne. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:31:05 EST From: "Neil Parks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: http://sac-ftp.gratex.sk/utilprog11.html On 25 Feb 00 at 10:27, arachne-digest wrote: > From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If you get a blank screen attempting to download anything, you might press F6 to > get the source HML code, or run wget or HTGET to get the Web page F6 was the first thing I tried, and it did not do anything. (The link in question was to an ftp host, not a web server.) - -- ...This msg brought to you by NEIL PARKS Beachwood, Ohio mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.en.com/users/neparks/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:38:57 EST From: "Neil Parks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: history list growing by leaps and bounds On 24 Feb 00 at 7:23, arachne-digest wrote: > From: "Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 5...when it comes back from your mailserver, store it in "LINKS" folder > and you have all those "nifty" links ready to launch, instead of > kicking yourself all around the room and through the yard, because > you lost that link "you just gotta have"..........<g g g> If there's a link I've just got to have, I add it to the hotlist. I don't depend on the hist list for that. That's exactly why the hist list should save only the last dozen or so, not everything ad infinitum. - -- ...This msg brought to you by NEIL PARKS Beachwood, Ohio mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.en.com/users/neparks/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:04:44 +0100 From: "Bjorn Simonsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Trouble with TELNET On 24 Feb 00 at 11:31, Michael Hildenbrand wrote: > I downloaded Pegasus for dos some time ago, and recently > downloaded it again. I cannot figure out how to configure it to > download my email. See: Setting up DOS Email by Michael Glover: <http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~glover/pmail/dospm.htm> Email in 30 Minutes by Vlad Lissine: <http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Plaza/4918/mail4dos.html> Setting up Email in DOS with today's ISP using a dialup PPP TCP/IP connection by Dan Kom�romi <http://www.komaromi.com/dos_email/> The BareBones Solution by James Chapman: <http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jchap/tvde.htm> And for a very good run down on DOS Internet configuration and software in general: Tvdog's Internet Archive by Jeffrey L. Hayes <www.oldskool.org/~tvdog/internet.html> Or as plain text, get the README file found here: <ftp://ftp.oldskool.org/pub/tvdog/internet/> All the best, Bjorn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:54:43 +0000 From: Charles Boisvert and Catherine Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: .tgz binaries displayed as text >In MIME.CFG, which takes priority--the data type as reported by the server, >or the file extension? Is there any way to override the data type for a >given extension? It should be the content-type, but clients usually rely on the extension instead. Since all those brain-dead windoze clients don't look at the content-type, server admins don't need to bother setting the content types right (there is some kind of extension to content-type table on the server), and when you use a proper client that relies on content-type information, you usually find it's not available. >I have used Arachne to obtain some Linux software from the web. For whatever >reason, the server is reporting a content type of "text/plain". Therefore >Arachne tries to display the file as though it was a text file. If you hit that problem often with the same site, tell the server admin. He'll probably die of shame (putting unix downloads on a server and not setting the content-type properly... I'd say that should be a criminal offense :-) Charles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:29:29 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Inline Attachments and Insight On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:23:55 -0500 (EST), Thomas Mueller wrote: > --------------366E9BA7933FD9EA785993EA > Content-Type: image/jpeg > Content-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\nsmailRS.jpeg" > Is that file name & path from the sender's computer or intended for the > recipient's computer? If intended for the recipient's computer, it won't work > on Mac, Linux, OS/2, DOS, BeOS, and not always on Windows. Sometimes the main > Windows directory might have another name, like WINNT for an NT system? It > would be interesting to see how and if Linux/Unix interprets such a file name. > I believe the recipient could correct the file name with a text editor. > Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology > http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ OK, Let's see if we can figure this thing-out...<g> I will insert into this message, another Arachne .TBS file. _This_ message itself has no attachments. The message inserted into the body of this one will have attachments. (I'll then place "dash + space" at the start of each line in the inserted .TBS to prevent it from messing-up anything) - ---begin inserted .TBS file--- - - From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - - Organization: Arachne Fan Club - - Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:27:46 -0500 - - X-Mailer: Arachne V1.60;b1 - - To: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - - Subject: Inline Attachments and Insight - - X-Encoding: MIME - - MIME-Version: 1.0 - - X-Attachment-Processor: Insight 3.5 - - Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=MIME-multipart-message-boundary-951506866 - - - - * This message is in MIME format. - - - - --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-951506866 - - Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - - Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit - - - - ---body of message with signature file afterward--- - - - - blah, blah, blah.... - - - - ---end body of message--- - - - - -- - - Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA - - DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html - - Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ - - Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS - - Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. - - http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ - - - - --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-951506866 - - Content-Type: application/octet-stream ;name=x.bat - - Content-ID: arachne-namespace/c:\1st-test.dir\2nd-test.dir\x.bat - - Content-Description: File "x.bat" (type application/octet-stream, size 0 KB) - - Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 - - - - YzpceHRwcm9ceHRwcm8NCm1lbi5iYXQNCg== - - --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-951506866 - - Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN ;name=xdotbat.txt - - Content-ID: arachne-namespace/c:\1st-test.dir\2nd-test.dir\xdotbat.txt - - Content-Description: File "xdotbat.txt" (type TEXT/PLAIN, size 0 KB) - - Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - - - - c:\xtpro\xtpro - - men.bat - - - - --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-951506866-- - - - ---end inserted .TBS file--- As you can see... Arachne/Insight is doing the job correctly. X.bat was encoded. xdotbat.txt was not encoded. (xdotbat.txt is the result of..... copy x.bat xdotbat.txt) "content-type" for each file shows file-type and file-name "content-ID" shows where the file was located on my system "content-description" shows file-name, file-type and file-size(kb) "content-transfer-encoding" shows encoding for that file (as you can see, no "erroneous" characters were inserted into the files) (x.bat is a 25 byte file) In the headers of the message.... "content-type" for the attachments is properly shown. "boundary" for the attachments is properly shown. "content-type" for the message as a whole is properly shown. "content-transfer-encoding" for the message as a whole is properly shown. All of this is in compliance with the accepted internet mail transport standards. There is nothing wrong with the way Arachne/Insight is working. To verify that my conclusions are correct: http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/MIME/toc.html - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:53:1 +0800 From: J J Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Slightly off topic from TELNET thread Author's note: This message solely discusses Windows software. Delete now if desired. On 24/02/00 Barry Kaufman wrote: <snip> >I need a WIN32 mail client that will POP/IMAP/TELNET, etc. concatenate >my compuserve mail (including what is in lists) to a text file. How about >PC-Pine, Fox-Mail, Eudora, etc? I haven't researched any of these but if >you say that any will generate the big text file, then I will immediately study, >install and try it. > >By the way, the smaller the program the better (least amount of bloat). I >only need to receive messages (can send them through another POP site). >I don't need multiple users, multiple folders or eye candy. But I'll take what >ever will concatenate all pending messages to a text file. > >Thanks again, Barry. At the foot of this message is a bit of copy and paste from my 16-bit Windows FoxMail Inbox to show you its concatenated output. FoxMail names each mailbox as a *.box which may then be opened in an editor from File Manager by association. I receive 250kB mail digests that are too undigestible for FoxMail but may be viewed in Windows Write. The only problem has been when the majority were sending HTML- format mail, which is displayed as a plain text message followed by the bulky and tiring HTML source. (Since infection by the Kak virus, HTML-format messages are disallowed, but quoted-printable is still an annoyance.) The mailbox files may be split into their constituents with Winzip though, like me, I imagine you want to avoid all the opening and closing of individual messages. I keep a mailbox reserved for whatever messages I'm dealing with at the moment and then delete the mail when it's finished with, remembering to compress the mailbox (from FoxMail's menu) before moving the next batch of messages to the mailbox to be processed. FoxMail allows you to retrieve the headers of your waiting messages and then mark them as Already fetched; Fetch, do not delete; Fetch, then delete; or Delete. The 16-bit version is less than 670kB installed and works with 32-bit, though a more specific and recent version is available. I have on occasion found (and dealt with) some quirks with the program but received no reply from the author. The Helpfile could be far better. You probably know it's Freeware, so give it a try. Jake Here's that excerpt from it's concatenated output: S X-From_: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 24 15:02:01 2000 Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:02:01 +0000 Received: from [212.24.129.58] (helo=ns.arachne.cz) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12NzmA-0004pF-00; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:01:59 +0000 Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns.arachne.cz (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA12994 for arachne-list; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:56:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: ns.arachne.cz: mail set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:55:40 -0500 From: Barry Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Slightly off topic from TELNET thread To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.arachne.cz id PAA12991 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Sam Heywood and Roger Turk for replies to my quest for POP/IMAP/TELNET access to Compuserve where all pending messages would be automatically concatenated in a text file. I forgot to mention that some WIN32 PC's I work on when I am on a trip have no modem so I can't use TAPCIS or any other dial-out program. The PC's are on a network and they do access the internet. I have loaded 32 bit Opera and it works fine, Therefore, I assume any internet WINsocket compatible program should work. I need a WIN32 mail client that will POP/IMAP/TELNET, etc. concatenate my compuserve mail (including what is in lists) to a text file. How about PC-Pine, Fox-Mail, Eudora, etc? I haven't researched any of these but if you say that any will generate the big text file, then I will immediately study, install and try it. By the way, the smaller the program the better (least amount of bloat). I only need to receive messages (can send them through another POP site). I don't need multiple users, multiple folders or eye candy. But I'll take what ever will concatenate all pending messages to a text file. Thanks again, Barry. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:24:03 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Dead...!!..??? On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:40:48 -0800, Gregory J. Feig wrote: > Man....this list is dead all or a sudden...I haven't received > anything for over 14-hours....not that I'm looking for a handout > mind you, but, is this server still up........<g g g> It's still up. But, with so few "problems" in v1.60b1.... there's not much for us to talk about.<g> Maybe we should all stop using v1.60b1 and go back to v0.9 At least then we'de have some bugs to comment on.<vbg> - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:29:25 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: DR-DOS 7.01 or 7.03 On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:41:36 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am going to be downloading a copy of DR-DOS > to install on a friend's 386 along with Arachne. I > have been using DR-DOS 7.01 on one of my own > boxes and haven't tried 7.02 or 7.03. I was going > to download 7.03 for my friend, but I seem to > remember someone (Glen McCorkle maybe?) > posting that they had some kind of problem with > 7.03. All 3 versions are still at the FTP site, so I > am wondering which one works best with Arachne > on "Legacy" hardware. > Thanks, > Binky I didn't actually have any "problems" with v7.03 But, I found no "significant advantage" in comparing v7.03 to v7.01 So, I still use v7.01 (since it wasn't broken... I didn't fix it).<g> - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:50:30 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: New old topic -- cleaning memory Ran into near problems again today. Red boxes started sprouting! Check on memory shows 13!!!! in bright red! Now what??? ALT E to shell out, Arachne cleans itself out of memory, enter EXIT to return to Arachne and voila! memory is 108. Arachne is capable of clearing everything from memory. Arachne is often bogged down and crashed because memory is full. Why can't Arachne clean memory out on its own? Why should a user, if lucky enough to know the trick, have to *force* Arachne to clear memory? Doesn't Arachne poll periodically to see how much memory is left available to it? If not, why not? Arachne can count, can tell time, can check to see how much memory is available, can do all the many things required to keep memory from becoming clogged. So why doesn't Arachne do just that? l.d. - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:05:55 +0000 From: "Michael L. Dawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New old topic -- cleaning memory On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:50:30 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: > Ran into near problems again today. Red boxes started sprouting! Check > on memory shows 13!!!! in bright red! Now what??? > ALT E to shell out, Arachne cleans itself out of memory, enter EXIT to > return to Arachne and voila! memory is 108. L.D., I discovered that after a little web surfing, if I stop and check my e-mail, then the Dos memory (KB) returns to the top figure. You might post your mem.txt generated while connected, to see if we can make some suggestions to improve your available (for arachne) conventional memory. For instance, I have a cdrom drive on this box, but rarely use it, so I just REM out the cdrom lines in config.sys and autoexec.bat until I find I need it, then I "unrem" them, and reboot to get the use of the drive restored. Also, I use Interlnk-Intersvr a lot, and have to end that on the server machine and reboot on this "client" machine to get that out of my conventional memory "plateful" if I am going to use Arachne. That increases my Dos memory (KB) from 122 to 148. Thanks, Michael L. Dawley Pearl, Mississippi - -- IBM PS/1 Evergreen 586 -- - -- 32 MB RAM -- - -- Quantum 410 MB HDD -- - -- USR Sportster 14.4 Modem -- - -- Arachne V1.50;s.r.c., NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://home.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:00:37 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: PC-Pine for DOS doesn't like NWCACHE Hi "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: TM> If the user posts to and downloads from specified newsgroups, why TM> would PC-PINE try to read the entire newsgroup list? it does not ... TM> Is that what happens? No :) TM> ..., and it keeps track of message numbers so as not to TM> download the same stuff repeatedly, UKA_PPP is for offline use !!! PINE is for online use ... It only loads the HEADERS of the messages. If you want to read the message, you press enter, and that message is loaded. TM> and there is no trouble posting news messages. _I_ don't have problems posting news either ... TM> If I try Pine, it will be the new 4.20 or 4.21 for TM> Linux and/or OS/2 Warp; I feel warned against the DOS version. The DOS-PINE version shows here only 3 drawbacks. 1) it will be not developed any further 2) it only supports IMAP 3) if you want to subscribe to a NG, and don't enter a search pattern, than it exits because of lack of memory. Except these it works GREAT here ..., but Sam seems to have more problems :(( CU, Ricsi - -- Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.} - -=> Was That Your Wife I Saw In That GIF? <=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:12:36 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: PC-Pine for DOS doesn't like NWCACHE Hi "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SH> Anyway ALL problems mentioned in my posts on this subject are now SH> solved. GREAT !!! What was the problem ?? Maybe others will have these problems too ... SH> Sam Heywood CU, Ricsi - -- Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.} - -=> Smile ... people will wonder what you've been up to <=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:28:23 -0500 From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: New old topic -- cleaning memory L.D. wrote: >>Ran into near problems again today. Red boxes started sprouting! Check on memory shows 13!!!! in bright red! Now what??? ALT E to shell out, Arachne cleans itself out of memory, enter EXIT to return to Arachne and voila! memory is 108. Arachne is capable of clearing everything from memory. Arachne is often bogged down and crashed because memory is full. Why can't Arachne clean memory out on its own? Why should a user, if lucky enough to know the trick, have to *force* Arachne to clear memory? Doesn't Arachne poll periodically to see how much memory is left available to it? If not, why not? Arachne can count, can tell time, can check to see how much memory is available, can do all the many things required to keep memory from becoming clogged. So why doesn't Arachne do just that?<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I think the main question should be, "What is Arachne keeping in memory that isn't needed and why?" Roger Turk Tucson, Arizona USA ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #1016 ******************************
