arachne-digest Friday, March 10 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1031
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:00:19 -0500
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Improper HTML rendering of high asci
Sam Heywood wrote:
>>Within DOS I view it with whatever the default character set is. I have
nothing set up within DOS specifying any character set or code page. Within
Arachne I have changed my setup for ISO-8859-1.
I just checked my "SENT MAIL" box and looked at the message again. The
header *does not* specify charset=US-ASCII.
Here is a copy of the header for the message in question:
- ------- begin header for sent message ---------
>From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Organization: Arachne Fan Club
>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:53:59 -0500
>X-Mailer: Arachne V1.60;b1
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Charset in insight
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
- ------ end header for sent message -------------
I think I will need to set up something within DOS in order to resolve this
problem.
Could someone please recommend what I should do?
I want to use charset=ISO-8859-1
I am using Caldera DR-DOS, version 7.02.
I know I might have to add some lines in AUTOEXEC.BAT or CONFIG.SYS or both.
Where should the line(s) be added in the loading sequences?
Also, please inform me as to whether any proposed changes might reduce
my available free DOS memory.
Please believe me that this subject matter just isn't taught in the schools
around here. All I know about it are some obscure references buried in
the appendix of some text books that I have. In the area where I live, I
don't know anyone who knows anything about code pages.
Thank you all for your help.
Sam Heywood<<
Sam,
I just looked in my MS-DOS 5.0 manual and it seems that you need to load
DISPLAY.SYS, NLSFUNC.EXE, COUNTRY.SYS, and prepare "code pages" using "mode"
command and change code pages by using the DOS command "chcp." For each
"country" there is a "default" code page and an "alternate" code page (stored
in code-page information [.CPI] files.) Obviously, it will take memory!
Much too much to repeat here, but it is the chapter, "Customizing for
International Use," in the DOS manual that I have.
Hope this helps.
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona USA
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:55:27 +0200 (WET)
From: Marie Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
> I have just recently entered a change in my Arachne setup so that it
> is now configured for the character set ISO-1859-1.
don't you mean iso-8859-1? at least that's what the header says :)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
i have a feeling that encoding should be 8bit ... however, i looked at
some messages i had sent with arachne - they were iso-8859-1, 7bit and i
could see the �'s, �'s and �'s (that's ä ö ü), but i don't
see the spanish ones :( ... strange
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marie
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
+37 250 43 040
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:00:01 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hi!
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:38:49 +0100 (CET), Bagnoli Franco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:15:39 +0100 (CET), Bagnoli Franco wrote:
<snip>
>> A great advantage of using Arachne at a public kiosk is that it will run
>> very well on an inexpensive vintage PC. If someone does vandalize the kiosk,
>> then the damages incurred would not be as great as you would otherwise suffer
>> by setting up a modern pentium running the latest Windows software.
> You touched the point. At present we have some high-tech kiosks with touch
> screen, fast pentiums and specialized software (based on a combination of
> internet explorer and visual basic). Apart from the cost (which is
> also important: due to limited budget of our public university, we have to
> choose between 10 such high-tech kiosks or 100 (maybe 1000?) low-end
> arachne ones -- we have 5000 students!), they suffer alternatively from
> being out of service or hackerized (say installing irc servers).
> Arachne could solve some of these problems, but I have to avoid for
> instance exiting to dos pressing the esc key, and maybe preventing access
> to the command.com shell. I have some ideas, but I would like to know if
> anybody has already considered the question.
Hello Professor:
In my experience I have encountered some publicly-accessible computers
running some programs in some libraries at colleges and universities. When
I would try to get to the DOS prompt, or escape to the DOS shell, I would be
prompted for a password. The result was that I could not get into DOS.
I never asked anyone how this kind of setup works, because I was afraid that
I would be suspected of being the kind of person who wants to hack the
system <g>.
The systems administrator at your university probably knows of ways to
keep unauthorized persons from accessing the command line.
All the best,
Sam Heywood
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:56:37 +0100
From: "Willy J. Hoogstraten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hi!
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:38:49 +0100 (CET), Bagnoli Franco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Arachne could solve some of these problems, but I have to avoid for
> instance exiting to dos pressing the esc key, and maybe preventing access
> to the command.com shell. I have some ideas, but I would like to know if
> anybody has already considered the question.
I don't know the solution for such problems, but I use DR-DOS 7.03
(http://www.lineo.com/products/download.html) which has the possibility
to put password protection on files and directories, or to make user
accounts. Maybe this can help, but I know that these passwords can be
broken (very easily if one reboots the machine on a floppy with MS-DOS
or even better, with Linux).
It is possible to use this OS for free for private non-commercial use.
I don't know if it is possible to register and get support.
Another thing is:
Avoid that people have access to the machine's power- and reset-buttons!
(And the floppy-disk, if possible).
Disable esc key for exiting Arachne, launch Arachne from autoexec.bat
and put a line in that file which causes a *cold* reboot (many free
reboot-programs are available on the www) after exiting Arachne (alt-x).
Use the BIOS password (and maybe the DR-DOS harddisk access password), so
people need the system administrator to reboot.
- - Best regards,
- - Willy J. Hoogstraten.
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:25:12 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: Charset in insight
Hi
Marie Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MF> i have a feeling that encoding should be 8bit ... however, i looked at
MF> some messages i had sent with arachne - they were iso-8859-1, 7bit and
MF> i could see the �'s, �'s and �'s (that's ä ö ü)
This is a bug in Insight.
If you use 8 bit characters (eg ���) than Arachne should tell correctly
8bit)
Michael ??
MF> marie
CU, Ricsi
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Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.}
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:16:48 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: Improper HTML rendering of high asci
Hi
Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
RT> I just looked in my MS-DOS 5.0 manual and it seems that you need to
RT> load DISPLAY.SYS, NLSFUNC.EXE, COUNTRY.SYS, and prepare "code pages"
RT> using "mode" command and change code pages by using the DOS command
RT> "chcp." For each "country" there is a "default" code page and an
RT> "alternate" code page (stored in code-page information [.CPI] files.)
RT> Obviously, it will take memory!
Yes it does take memory (display.sys)
I replied to Sam in private, but as this DOS CP comes up again, I thoight
that maybe also others are interested.
=== Begin file: config.sys ===
DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\DISPLAY.SYS CON=(EGA,437,1)
=== End file ===
Loads a driver, and tells it that you use a 'modern' graphics card
(ega/vga), which has cp437 as standard codepage. (all have this imho)
and you tell it that you want support for 1 additional CP.
=== Begin file: autoexec.bat ===
MODE CON CODEPAGE PREPARE=((850) C:\DOS\EGA.CPI)
MODE CON CODEPAGE SELECT=850
=== End file ===
1. command tells WHAT this 1 additional CP is, and the 2. switches it on.
country.sys is NOT part of the codepage 'thing'
COUNTRY=043,437,C:\DOS\COUNTRY.SYS
It simply tells the settings for the countries.
What is the currency symbol, what is the default date and time format, is
there a . between thousand numbers (eg 1.000)
the first parameter is the country code. (same as tel code ... eg austria
on tel is 0049 code is 049, hungary is 0036 -> code is 036)
The second paramete can be left out, it defines the default CP.
(but it has no function, eg you can insert 999 and you will still end up
with the standard cp437)
Sorry for this longish letter ...
(Tell me if you all are bored with this topic ...
But I hope this helps some of you)
RT> Roger Turk
CU, Ricsi
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Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.}
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:29:13 +0300
From: "Vasily Zatsepin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #1026
On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:08:35 +0100, Michael Polak wrote:
<snip>
> My personal opinion that I would like to see the situation much more
> like it is in Switzerland. Yes, adult Swiss men are armed. But they do
> not wear small guns and pistols like Americans, which are more likely
> to be misused for suicide or by children. In Switzerland, you would
> have *realy dangerous* machine gun safely locked at you attick. You
> definitely won't show with this machine gun on street, unless there is
> military training, which is about once a year.
> Well, this is the kind of army I would join without hesitating...
> Unfortunately, in our country it is very, very different from that.
BTW, both Swiss and Chech were most fearsome (or skillfull?)
medieval soldiers/warriors. So your preferences have deep roots...
Regards,
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Vasily Zatsepin | mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Arachne WWW browser v.1.50 SRC - registered
Visit http://arachne.browser.org/ - Web browser for DOS
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:55:54 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Improper HTML rendering of high ascii characters
On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 09:21:23 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
wrote:
> Hi
> "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> GM> Unicode not posible in DOS ??? Don't be so sure.
> GM> Not too long ago,
> GM> "Full featured Graphical Web Browsing is not possible in DOS".
> GM> Then..... along came Arachne. We all know the rest of the story.<g>
> But what if the author of Arachne tells us, that it is technically
> impossible .... :)
> (Michael has did so)
Last I heard, Peter Kluehs was working on it. ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
http://www.cs.uky.edu/~raphael/yiddish/makeyiddish.html
With the efforts of people like him (and others),
we might have Unicode in DOS. (some day)<g>
For very extensive information on Unicode....
http://www.unicode.org/
Try these URLs if you need eMail for many different languages.
(and you don't mind using W95/98/NT)<g>
http://www.lingomail.com/main.htm
http://www.qtext.com/main.htm
If you need mathematical notation support....
http://www.mathtype.com/
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Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:39:11 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Improper HTML rendering of high ascii characters
On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:25:29 -000, Mike Millen wrote:
> RM>RM>> PS: Is my signature correctly terminated ?? (--space)
> RM>MM> I checked with a hex viewer... NO space after the --.
> RM>Hmm interesting ... it seems that Glenn got it correctly.
> RM>What can cause this difference ??
> No idea. I checked the .dlu file that NetTamer wrote as it
> d/l'd your email. I've got nothing that alters that.
> Here's the hexdump of that last part of your email:
> 0007A0 4D 69 6B 65 0D 0A 0D 0A 43 55 2C 20 52 69 63 73 Mike CU, Rics
> 0007B0 69 0D 0A 0D 0A 50 53 3A 20 49 73 20 6D 79 20 73 i PS: Is my s
> 0007C0 69 67 6E 61 74 75 72 65 20 63 6F 72 72 65 63 74 ignature correct
> 0007D0 6C 79 20 74 65 72 6D 69 6E 61 74 65 64 20 3F 3F ly terminated ??
> 0007E0 20 28 2D 2D 73 70 61 63 65 29 0D 0A 2D 2D 0D 0A (--space) --
> 0007F0 52 69 63 68 61 72 64 20 4D 65 6E 65 64 65 74 74 Richard Menedett
> Ask Glenn for a hexdump, too.
I didn't still have Richard's original message.
Here's a dump of the one where he stated that it came through OK to me.
000550 20 52 69 63 73 69 0d 0a 0d 0a 2d 2d 20 0d 0a 52 Ricsi....-- ..R
000560 69 63 68 61 72 64 20 4d 65 6e 65 64 65 74 74 65 ichard Menedette
000570 72 20 3c 72 69 63 73 69 40 62 69 67 66 6f 6f 74 r <ricsi@bigfoot
000580 2e 63 6f 6d 3e 20 5b 49 43 51 3a 20 37 36 35 39 .com> [ICQ: 7659
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Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:49:56 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: interesting information...
Some very interesting information is here....
http://www.freedos.org/news/newsitem065.txt
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Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:45:40 +0000
From: Charles Boisvert and Catherine Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Improper HTML rendering of high ascii characters
>At the risk of opening another can of worms here...
Here goes :)
>there is a tendency for popular American reference sources
>to ignore the other 5.7 billion people on the planet.
5.7? I thought we were still at about 5. Anyway, it's not just the
Americans. Here in the UK anything that comes from America is called
"worldwide". So there are worldwide singers, worldwide films, worldwide
decisions :). If it's for anywhere except america or the UK it's "ethnic".
Anyway, concerning the ASCII "worldwide" (ahem) standard. There are
several accepted standard for characters 128 to 255 and e-mail messages
generally announce which charset they use in the header. That seems to be
good enough for Languages that use the Latin alphabet. I don't know what
it's like for Cyrillic and greek alphabets though. Do they only use
characters 128-255 or do they ditch the ASCII code altogether?
Charles
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:38:00 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: interesting information...
Hi
"Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
GM> Some very interesting information is here....
GM> http://www.freedos.org/news/newsitem065.txt
I hope they decide right, and GPL it ...
It would be greeeeeeeeaaaaaat !!!
GM> Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
CU, Ricsi
PS: Signature thing ... I just looked at my own messages (normally they are
automatically deleted), and I receive them also correctly ....
Anyways it's offtopic here, and it's not so important ...
but thank you very much Glenn, for informing me.
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Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.}
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:57:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Martwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
As long as the encoding is set to 7bit, the eighth bit should be
cleared. This obviously is not happening; I got all the Spanish
characters Sam sent except one. Still, what does happen is pos-
sibly system dependent. This may well include some or all of the
systems which are involved in the mail transmission! Eight-bit
encoding should be safer.
Ken Martwick
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Richard Menedetter wrote:
> Hi
>
> Marie Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> MF> i have a feeling that encoding should be 8bit ... however, i looked at
> MF> some messages i had sent with arachne - they were iso-8859-1, 7bit and
> MF> i could see the �'s, �'s and �'s (that's ä ö ü)
>
> This is a bug in Insight.
> If you use 8 bit characters (eg ���) than Arachne should tell correctly
> 8bit)
>
> Michael ??
>
> MF> marie
>
> CU, Ricsi
>
> --
> Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.}
> -=> "Positive thinking" ... leads to miscalculation <=-
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:42:03 +0200 (WET)
From: Marie Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne 1.60 problems
Hi again and thnx for all the answers.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
> Try setting up your parent's Arachne so that they would do a "terminal login".
> Such a feature is in the setup options. With a "terminal login", the system
> provides the user with prompts to manually enter his username and password.
Sorry, you got me wrong ... they don't have a problem dialing in, they
get a connection and can send mail, surf the 'net, but don't get anything.
(The ppp password had disappeared, too, but we could fix that 'by phone').
I am thinking now that maybe the pop3 passwd has also disappeared, as
everything worked fine when I tested it over here ... though the packet
driver for 3c509 seemed pretty buggy :(
> If you should find that Arachne still doesn't like passwords more than 8
> characters long, then you might want to consider changing your password. With
> my ISP, any subscriber can change his password at any time with telnet. I
> have found the procedure very simple. Of course you will have to disconnect
> and then re-connect before the change will take effect.
Unfortunately, they don't have a shell account (commercial providers
don't offer such things here ... security). Anyway I hope to fix it
without changing the password :)
On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:42:57 +0200 Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
> Arachne 1.60 is still a problematic beta.. i'd stick with 1.50src.
> It gave me trouble while downloading the mail too. Its good for
> general browsing, though. There was a reason why Michael warned
> about using it, in the Arachne page.. :)
Did he? Missed that ;) Anyway, as I said I hope I can solve the problem
tomorrow - everything worked fine here (with the same account :) ).
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Christoph Belitz wrote:
> BETA-status means, that there are still many bugs, which need to be
> found!
> Just post your problems and we'll try to solve it ;)
Hm, I had a problem with 1.50src and yahoo.com, the latter complaining
that cookies didn't work ... is this a known issue and is it fixed
in 1.60?
Sry for the longish post, but my uni's network was down for 2 days,
catching up ...
- --
marie
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:44:19 +0200 (WET)
From: Marie Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
Hi again!
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Richard Menedetter wrote:
> MF> i have a feeling that encoding should be 8bit ... however, i looked at
> MF> some messages i had sent with arachne - they were iso-8859-1, 7bit and
> MF> i could see the �'s, �'s and �'s (that's ä ö ü)
>
> This is a bug in Insight.
> If you use 8 bit characters (eg ���) than Arachne should tell correctly
> 8bit)
I _think_ it said 7bit _and_ I used ���� ... but I deleted that d***
e-mail some 30 minutes ago :*%^*&^*(&
- --
marie
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:05:16
From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
On 9 Mar 00 at 4:02, Mark David Roth wrote:
>>No I didn't see them that way using CompuServe's mail client for DOSCIM.
Mark,
I used to use DOSCIM on C'serve and I had a TSR installed (called
Eurokeys) that would let me type the special accented characters. It
did not let me view the characters properly, but at least I could
type them correctly.
Regards,
Dale Mentzer
It is easier to get older than it is to get wiser.
This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client
WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows
http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:32:02 +1100
From: "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FreeCDP Sound Player for DOS
Hi Folks,
Further to my previous post:
Florian Xaver, [EMAIL PROTECTED] , author of FreeCDP, has made an APM for
Arachne. Download it from http://members.aon.at/seal/seal/FreeCDP/CDP.APM
It installed and works for me, except for not playing MOD files. I
gather it may be better in DR-DOS. Don't know, can't tell, haven't got DR-DOS.
I can now play MIDI files from Web page links, and it also
plays Embed/NoEmbed MIDIs in html pages from my Folk Song website. :)
Arachne is getting more complete all the time. :)
FWIW: FreeCDP is able to play MIDIs from within Arachne WHEN MY SOUNDCARD IS
NOT EVEN INITIALISED FROM AUTOEXEC.BAT, because I do not load the drivers when
booting up to Arachne (need the low memory). Now that is impressive.
Joerg,
Don't know about the "patches" mentioned in SETUP.EXE. May
require a search from the Allegro site. I think there is a link from:
http://members.aon.at/seal/project.htm
I have emailed Florian Xaver and asked him about them. Will come back to the
list.
Regards,
Ron
Ron Clarke http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/music.html
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:45:26 -0500
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne 1.60 problems
Marie Fischer wrote:
>>Hm, I had a problem with 1.50src and yahoo.com, the latter complaining
that cookies didn't work ... is this a known issue and is it fixed
in 1.60?<<
This is a problem that I had with 1.48 and 1.6b1. It was sporadic. Once I
got Yahoo to recognize that Arachne accepted a cookie, I was able to log onto
Yahoo without a problem as long as I did it at least every other day. If I
didn't go to Yahoo for several days, it would not recognize me and called me
a "Guest User." Sometimes I would have to "sign in" three times before I
would be recognized --- other times, I would "sign in" once, it would still
call me a guest user, but, if I went back to their home page (which doesn't
ask for a sign in) and then went back to the page that asked for a sign in, I
would be recognized.
>>Sorry, you got me wrong ... they don't have a problem dialing in, they
get a connection and can send mail, surf the 'net, but don't get anything.
(The ppp password had disappeared, too, but we could fix that 'by phone').
I am thinking now that maybe the pop3 passwd has also disappeared, as
everything worked fine when I tested it over here ... though the packet
driver for 3c509 seemed pretty buggy :(<<
Did you happen to set up more than one .ACF file for their log in? If you
did, could it be possible that they clicked on the .ACF selection and changed
to the .ACF file that you didn't put the passwords in? Did they possibly
"unclick" the "save password" block on the dialer page?
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona USA
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:13:52 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Eisenberger)
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
"Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 130 � an accented e, forward accent /
>
> At my end they are correct as seen at the DOS console, but incorrect
> when viewed within Insight while the message is still in my outbox.
The default (hardware) DOS charset is CP437. Char 130 will appear as
an accented e, forward accent /. But in MS-Windows (ANSI charset) or
any system using ISO-Latin-1 it will appear as something else. These
systems use char 233 to display this character, which is the Greek
letter "theta" in CP437.
It is the DOS default charset that is non-standard. In order to view
char 233 correctly in DOS, one can convert it to char 130 first or
change the VGA display charset to ISO-Latin-1 (CP819).
Howard Eisenberger
Ottawa
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:16:51 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 02:07:56 -0500, Clarence Verge wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:53:59 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
>> I have just recently entered a change in my Arachne setup so that it
>> is now configured for the character set ISO-1859-1.
It was configured for ISO-8859-1. Sorry for the typo.
>> Non-English Spanish language characters follow:
>> 160 � an accented a, forward accent /
>> 130 � an accented e, forward accent /
>> 161 � an accented i, forward accent /
>> 162 � an accented o, forward accent /
>> 163 � an accented u, forward accent /
>> 164 � an n with a tilde over it
>> 166 � a superscripted a with a line under it
>> 167 � a superscripted o with a line under it
>> 168 � an inverted question mark
>> 173 � an inverted exclamation mark
>> Do you view these characters as described?
> Sam, your ORIGINAL post looked OK to me in NS and Arachne but this one
> does not look correct in Arachne. But, as you say, it does look right
> in DOS. However, I have no idea what ISO-1859-1 is supposed to look
> like. Maybe you meant 8859-1 ? Although I wouldn't know what that is
> supposed to look like either.
Yes, I meant 8859-1. Sorry for the typo. To me, neither my original post
nor this current post looks right to me when viewed with Insight. They
both look good to me when seen from the DOS console.
> I think we need some graphics with labels (say a .gif) so everyone can
> view the character sets associated with these names the same way.
I thought about that, but was afraid that someone would complain about
the posting of a graphics file to the mailing list. I think the
characters are adequately described in the text. By speaking of an
accented vowel, "forward accent /" I mean to describe an accent mark
going this way (/) instead of the other way (\). The French language
has a lot of accent marks going the other way. In Spanish, all the
accent marks go this way (/). If someone knows of some proper technical
terms by which to describe various types of accent marks, please tell us
about them.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:24:24 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 09:40:09 +0100 (CET), Richard Menedetter wrote:
> Hi
> "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> SH> I have just recently entered a change in my Arachne setup so that it
> SH> is now configured for the character set ISO-1859-1.
> Have you also configured the character mapping in arachne ??
I just made one change in my Arachne setup options so as to use ISO-8859-1.
(Sorry for the typo above). If there was something else I needed to do in
my Arachne setup, then I wasn't aware of it. I'll look into this some
more.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:42:34 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Improper HTML rendering of high ascii characters
Hello fellow Arachnids:
Much thanks to all of you for the feedback.
If I have not addressed directly the comments of some persons, it is because
anything relevant I could have said was already mentioned in my replies to
others. I am not ignoring anyone.
I'm going to work some more on this problem. When I think I've got this
thing figured out I might post another set of test characters to the list.
Anyone wanting to write to me privately on this topic is welcome to do so.
I thank you all for the help.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:26:26 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:13:52 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Eisenberger) wrote:
> "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 130 � an accented e, forward accent /
>> At my end they are correct as seen at the DOS console, but incorrect
>> when viewed within Insight while the message is still in my outbox.
> The default (hardware) DOS charset is CP437. Char 130 will appear as
> an accented e, forward accent /. But in MS-Windows (ANSI charset) or
> any system using ISO-Latin-1 it will appear as something else. These
> systems use char 233 to display this character, which is the Greek
> letter "theta" in CP437.
Very interesting. I observe from the DOS console that your French
language tagline uses character 233, or the Greek letter "theta" in
order for it to rendered to character 130 (an accented e, forward accent /)
in Arachne's Insight.
As an experiment I once sent as an email message an ascii table, from
character 32 to character 255 to my sister who uses a Mac. In her email
program she viewed all the characters correctly.
When I conducted the same experiment by sending the same message to a
couple of Windoze users, they reported the ascii table received as FUBAR.
Sam Heywood
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