arachne-digest Friday, March 10 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1032
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:14:19 +0000
From: "Michael L. Dawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne 1.61 problems
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:27:54 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Arachne 1.60 is much faster than 1.48 or 1.50b2, I don't want to go back. But
>I don't like to use Arachne for mail with the crazy file-naming scheme.
> Thomas Mueller
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thomas, all:
I set two computers side by side, one much faster, with a 586
processor and 32 MB ram, but with 1.50b2 on it. The other, with
a DX2-50 486, only had 8 mb ram, but had 1.60b1.
Put both on HOME, my local start page on the drives, and then
raced them back to Desktop. The DX2-50 won by a wide margin,
using 160b1. I was so impressed that I immediately installed
1.60b1 on the 586, confident that I had the faster browser.
As for the Email, I use Arachne for normal email reading, as it
is simpler than the windows email Outlook express, Eudora and
Pegasus, and works very well. If I have to compose an email that
involves getting bits and pieces of files, etc., I use Pegasus.
Overall, I am more than happy with Arachne 1.60b1 as it is. I
use windows 3.1 browsers NS 4.08 and MSIE 5.0, but they are much
slower on 486 computers. I placed WIN 98 on an AMD 100 mhz machine,
and it's really painfully slow getting anything done, even though
I have a big HDD with plenty of room for WIN 98 to work in.
I have only 16 MB ram, so that may be part of the problem.
Arachne 1.60b1 runs very well on that machine since I use a
boot disk to set up DOS 6.22 for it, with WIN 98 configuration
not involved at all.
I have 6 machines in this room and none run over 75 mhz.
Arachne fits in real well here to make web browsing and email
enjoyable on these machines.
- -----------
Michael L. Dawley
Pearl, Mississippi
- ----------
-- Compaq Deskpro 575 --
- -- Using Netdial 1.3 with Arachne 1.60b1 --
- --------------------------------------------
http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/arachne.html
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:52:54 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Improper HTML rendering of high ascii characters
Sam Heywood wrote:
>All I know is that there are 256 characters in the standard ascii chart.
I know others have already answered but an example might be better (I love
to get examples when I learn something).
Characther 251 is probably a square-root sign for you - but for someone
using Latin I it's "by the power of one".
>This discussion is beginning to sound like an argument over where
>we should draw the line between the lower octaves and the higher octaves
>of a musical composition. There appears to be no universally accepted
>authority.
Most of the world have A, B, C, D, E, F and G as music keys - but countries
(like Sweden) that got them via Germany have A, H, C, D, E, F and G ;-)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:52:56 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
Ricsi wrote:
> SH> 130 � an accented e, forward accent /
>This is the only one which is correct over here ...
Interesting, the original one wasn't correct - but this one is.
This is what I got (in Eudora 3.x for Win 3.x)
130 comma
161 weird i - doesn't look at all like it should.
162 cent
163 pound
164 ring with four small arrows pointing out from it (aka "sun")
166 old time pipe (for me anyway - it has a space in it like they had earlier)
167 I can't figure out what it's called - but it's the sign you have in
front of laws
168 two dots (as seen over ex. german �)
173 minus
They were all correct in DOS (since I use the default code page, which is
the same as Sam uses).
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:26:49 +0100 (CET)
From: Michael Polak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #1026
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Vasily Zatsepin wrote:
> > Well, this is the kind of army I would join without hesitating...
> > Unfortunately, in our country it is very, very different from that.
>
> BTW, both Swiss and Chech were most fearsome (or skillfull?)
> medieval soldiers/warriors. So your preferences have deep roots...
I think Czech should be now known for extreme dislike to server in
military forces (unless they have very strong motivation,
likel iberatation of their already-occupied country).
- --
http://arachne.cz/ (Arachne Labs: internet - software - linux - mp3)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:30:08 -0500
From: "Clarence Verge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne 1.61 problems
On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:14:19 +0000, Michael L. Dawley wrote:
> I set two computers side by side, one much faster, with a 586
> processor and 32 MB ram, but with 1.50b2 on it. The other, with
> a DX2-50 486, only had 8 mb ram, but had 1.60b1.
> Put both on HOME, my local start page on the drives, and then
> raced them back to Desktop. The DX2-50 won by a wide margin,
> using 160b1. I was so impressed that I immediately installed
> 1.60b1 on the 586, confident that I had the faster browser.
Hi Michael;
Now, to complete the experiment, you should put 1.50b2 on the '486
and test them again. To be fair, 1.50b2 should REPLACE 1.60b1 - not
just be added to the drive. There are a lot of factors which affect
that kind of test.
The timing measurements I made indicated that 1.60b1 IS faster than
1.50b2, but not enough to win that race if the '586 clock was 75Mhz.
In my tests, the versions were all tested using the same hardware
and the same test files by unzipping the required version to my
ramdisk.
I believe the '486 will still win if there really was a LARGE margin
before. Since I found only about a 20% diffference in speed, there
must be some other factor at work here. (IMHO)
- Clarence Verge
- -- Using Arachne 1.50b2 for a change.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:45:40 +0200 (WET)
From: Marie Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
> I thought about that, but was afraid that someone would complain about
> the posting of a graphics file to the mailing list. I think the
> characters are adequately described in the text.
I think so too
> By speaking of an
> accented vowel, "forward accent /" I mean to describe an accent mark
> going this way (/) instead of the other way (\). The French language
> has a lot of accent marks going the other way. In Spanish, all the
> accent marks go this way (/). If someone knows of some proper technical
> terms by which to describe various types of accent marks, please tell us
> about them.
In french, they're called accent aigu (/) and accent grave (\) iirc. But
forward/backward describes it actually better :)
- --
marie
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:51:34 +0200 (WET)
From: Marie Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne 1.60 problems
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Roger Turk wrote:
> Marie Fischer wrote:
>
> >>Hm, I had a problem with 1.50src and yahoo.com, the latter complaining
> that cookies didn't work ... is this a known issue and is it fixed
> in 1.60?<<
>
> This is a problem that I had with 1.48 and 1.6b1. It was sporadic. Once I
> got Yahoo to recognize that Arachne accepted a cookie, I was able to log onto
> Yahoo without a problem as long as I did it at least every other day. If I
> didn't go to Yahoo for several days, it would not recognize me and called me
> a "Guest User." Sometimes I would have to "sign in" three times before I
> would be recognized --- other times, I would "sign in" once, it would still
> call me a guest user, but, if I went back to their home page (which doesn't
> ask for a sign in) and then went back to the page that asked for a sign in, I
> would be recognized.
Hm, I didn't try several times, but at least this gives some hope (though
the only person using yahoo over there is my father and he does it only
on the weekend ... so much for logging in every other day). Is this a
problem on yahoo's part? If so, has anybody told them?
> >>Sorry, you got me wrong ... they don't have a problem dialing in, they
> get a connection and can send mail, surf the 'net, but don't get anything.
> (The ppp password had disappeared, too, but we could fix that 'by phone').
> I am thinking now that maybe the pop3 passwd has also disappeared, as
> everything worked fine when I tested it over here ... though the packet
> driver for 3c509 seemed pretty buggy :(<<
> Did you happen to set up more than one .ACF file for their log in?
No. But I'll check, maybe they did ;)
> If you
> did, could it be possible that they clicked on the .ACF selection and changed
> to the .ACF file that you didn't put the passwords in? Did they possibly
> "unclick" the "save password" block on the dialer page?
They wouldn't tell me ... but if you just unclick the 'save password'
chkbox, doesn't the password disappear, too (without multiple .acf files)?
An accidental click is always possible...
- --
marie
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:15:26 +0100 (CET)
From: "Bagnoli Franco ([EMAIL PROTECTED])" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hi!
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
> Hello Professor:
>
> In my experience I have encountered some publicly-accessible computers
> running some programs in some libraries at colleges and universities. When
> I would try to get to the DOS prompt, or escape to the DOS shell, I would be
> prompted for a password. The result was that I could not get into DOS.
> I never asked anyone how this kind of setup works, because I was afraid that
> I would be suspected of being the kind of person who wants to hack the
> system <g>.
>
> The systems administrator at your university probably knows of ways to
> keep unauthorized persons from accessing the command line.
>
Unfortunately I AM the system administrator :)
Probably what you suggest is quite simple, I almost decided to write
a substitute of command.com just to load the packet driver and then launch
arachne.
Anyhow, could you please tell me who is the responsible of the cited
libraries or colleges, so that I can ask him which solutions are possible?
Thank You
Franco Bagnoli
Dipartimento di Matematica Applicata "G. Sansone"
Universita' di Firenze, Via S. Marta, 3 I-50139 Firenze, Italy
tel. +39 0554796422, fax: +39 055471787
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:53:18 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Improper HTML rendering of high ascii characters
>
IMHO, there ought to be a "standard" universally accepted chart for all
256 ALT + NUM characters. Of course I realize that only 256 characters
will not be enough for all the world's languages, but 256 will suffice for
most European languages. Other languages may simply use some other system.
>
There already is a standard, published in many books. But then upper-ASCII
foreign language characters don't come out right.
>
The Email consists of the values ...
and a line telling HOW TO INTERPRET THEM ...
(characterset latin-1, cp437 ...)
>
I don't think "cp437" is recognized as a charset for the Internet. I checked
the RFC but forget the RFC number.
SH> Can the receiver easily switch his setup from one character set to
SH> another without messing things up?
RM> He should ... naturally it depends on the program.
RM> (the mail client I use here does this great ...)
Ricsi, what mail reader do you use? Is it SoupGate-DOS v1.05?
>
Non-English Spanish language characters follow:
160 � an accented a, forward accent /
130 � an accented e, forward accent /
161 � an accented i, forward accent /
162 � an accented o, forward accent /
163 � an accented u, forward accent /
164 � an n with a tilde over it
166 � a superscripted a with a line under it
167 � a superscripted o with a line under it
168 � an inverted question mark
173 � an inverted exclamation mark
Do you view these characters as described?
>
Everything came out right for me, viewing in regular DOS with "Tiny Editor", a
mail-unaware text editor for DOS and OS/2.
Thomas Mueller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:53:16 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hi!/Arachne for kiosks
>
Arachne could solve some of these problems, but I have to avoid for
instance exiting to dos pressing the esc key, and maybe preventing access
to the command.com shell. I have some ideas, but I would like to know if
anybody has already considered the question.
>
Possibly DR-WebSpyder by Caldera/Lineo might be designed for such uses. Or
possibly Michael Polak might come up with a custom version of Arachne for such
a purpose. What about a multiuser Unix/Linux system with many terminals?
Thomas Mueller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:33:53 -0500
From: Gloria Burd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Crime in the U.S.
Roger,
Regarding listening to police calls on a scanner being a lot less boring
than watching--LOL! For once, I actually agreed with you! :-D Other than
educational documentaries, I don't watch TV very much.
Here in California, domestic disputes are also the number one problem;
unfortunately, so many of them involve that little three-letter word that
sparks so many debates--gun.
Sincerely,
Gloria Burd
Arachne Fan
Easy DOS It--Break Windoze!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:42:22 -0500
From: Gloria Burd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Troubles with military service
You wrote,
<< BTW,
<< I hope they are permitted to remove the muzzle for feeding purposes. >>
<< Perhaps the dog might _like_ "drug dealer for dinner".<g> >>
LOL! :-D
Now wouldn't that be poetic justice? ;-)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:52:34 -0500
From: Gloria Burd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Quick cures don't work [was Re: Troubles with military service
You wrote:
<<More children die in the USA as the result of poverty -- slow
<<starvation, lack of proper clothing & shelter, lack of proper medical
<<care -- than die as the result of guns, knives, or other "weapons." At
<<last count -- and the census may show an increase -- there were 10,000,
<<ten thousand, one hundred hundred, homeless children in Los Angeles
<<County California alone.
Very well put. Here in the Bay Area, poverty creates more problems (such
as violence) than virtually anything else. But the media would rather
focus on exploiting rather than exposing the truth.
I try to do my own little tiny part each day (recycling, donating, doing
volunteer work, etc.). It's small, but I believe every little bit helps.
Although I don't agree with your views on guns, etc., I have a lot of
respect for folks like you who do something every day for the higher good
of all.
Peace.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:26:56 +0100 (CET)
From: "Bagnoli Franco ([EMAIL PROTECTED])" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hi!/Arachne for kiosks
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Possibly DR-WebSpyder by Caldera/Lineo might be designed for such uses. Or
> possibly Michael Polak might come up with a custom version of Arachne for such
> a purpose. What about a multiuser Unix/Linux system with many terminals?
I wrote to lineo, I'll make you know their answer.
It is also possible to use a pc as a unix terminal, but what browser to
use? text+lynx (or links) is not very adeguate, although it is being
considered (I would like to allow scientific communication/teaching using
formules/diagrams), and X browser are generally heavy, not usable
without mouse and tends to open several windows. Anyhow, if you have
suggestions they are welcome.
I think that it should be quite simple to make a custom version of arachne
for kiosks (simply removing things from the usual version).
A possible speedup could be found in decoupling html rendering from web
navigation: one could rely on lynx on the server for the download of html
and images, and then render it on the kiosk. I think that there is a
windows browser that works in this way (does anybody remember its name/web
site?). Another advantage could result in converting images to the desired
format (bmp) on the server. This approach would also allow to work on
one's home directory from several kiosks, without mounting them locally
on the pc.
Franco Bagnoli
Dipartimento di Matematica Applicata "G. Sansone"
Universita' di Firenze, Via S. Marta, 3 I-50139 Firenze, Italy
tel. +39 0554796422, fax: +39 055471787
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:28:08 +0200
From: "Or Botton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hi!/Arachne for kiosks
DR-WebSpyder (or "embrowser") is designed specificly for that, and is
also based on Arachne code. Unfortunatly, it has latly became too heavy,
abit unstable, and is abit hard to setup. (though it feels ok when you
finally get it to run.). It also lake alot of features, such as FTP
access and a good E-Mail manager, local file browser, and etc' because
it was designed for WebTVs and Kiosks especially.
In comparison, I believe that a special "for WebTV/kiosk" arachne can be
much better then WebSpyder/Embrowser.
Or Botton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense."
- -----------------------------
http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:04:10 -0500
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne 1.61 problems
Clarence,
I think that Michael Dawley's tests, if he does them as you suggested, would
clearly show the speed difference between 1.5x and 1.6x. Both of his
computers are running with an 8 MHz motherboard, while if we try to compare a
486/586 with a Pentium, albeit a 75 MHz Pentium, the motherboard for the
Pentium is going to be faster and give skewed results.
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona
Clarence Verge wrote:
>>Now, to complete the experiment, you should put 1.50b2 on the '486
and test them again. To be fair, 1.50b2 should REPLACE 1.60b1 - not
just be added to the drive. There are a lot of factors which affect
that kind of test.
The timing measurements I made indicated that 1.60b1 IS faster than
1.50b2, but not enough to win that race if the '586 clock was 75Mhz.
In my tests, the versions were all tested using the same hardware
and the same test files by unzipping the required version to my
ramdisk.
I believe the '486 will still win if there really was a LARGE margin
before. Since I found only about a 20% diffference in speed, there
must be some other factor at work here. (IMHO)<<
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:04:14 -0500
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: arachne 1.60 problems
Marie Fisher wrote:
>>Hm, I didn't try several times, but at least this gives some hope (though
the only person using yahoo over there is my father and he does it only
on the weekend ... so much for logging in every other day). Is this a
problem on yahoo's part? If so, has anybody told them? <<
Yes, Yahoo knows about the frequency of signing on, in fact, IIRC, it is in
their "sign-in help" screen. I also have written them about the cookie
problem and the need for repeated sign-in's to get recognized. I have come
to the conclusion that signing in may be somewhat like changing the
Autoexec.bat file --- it doesn't apply until you exit and re-enter Yahoo.
>>They wouldn't tell me ... but if you just unclick the 'save password'
chkbox, doesn't the password disappear, too (without multiple .acf files)?
An accidental click is always possible...<<
I don't know whether unclicking the "save password" box would remove the
passwords from the .ACF file, but it is likely, since this would be for the
person that doesn't like his/her passwords kept in ASCII text on their
computers.
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:12:57 -0600
From: "larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: THE question
So since I'm new to the mailing list here's THE question.
When's Arachne for Linux coming out? (:
I have been using Arachne for DOS for the past few days and I love
it. It's is better than any browser I have used. I haven't had one crash
yet and it seems to be quite stable. I can't wait for it to come out in
the LInux version.
Well done! And thanks.
Larry
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:54:52 EST
From: "Neil Parks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't read HTM attachment
- --Message-Boundary-18361
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Content-description: Mail message body
I recently received an email in the increasingly common format of plain
text followed by the same info in html. Usually those are no problem.
But when I tried to read the html portion of this one, it started to
display and then suddenly changed to the Arachne Fatal Error screen.
Since the html msg is short, I am attaching it to this msg. (If you try
to view it and get the Fatal Error screen, you probably don't have to
reboot. I didn't.)
- --
...This msg brought to you by NEIL PARKS Beachwood, Ohio
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.en.com/users/neparks/
- --Message-Boundary-18361
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-description: Information about this message.
This message contains a file prepared for transmission using the
MIME BASE64 transfer encoding scheme. If you are using Pegasus
Mail or another MIME-compliant system, you should be able to extract
it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system
administrator for help.
---- File information -----------
File: LORI.HTM
Date: 10 Mar 2000, 11:46
Size: 906 bytes.
Type: Binary
- --Message-Boundary-18361
Content-type: Application/Octet-stream; name=LORI.HTM; type=Binary
Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64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- --Message-Boundary-18361--
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:37:24 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: Improper HTML rendering of high ascii characters
Hi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
t> The Email consists of the values ...
t> and a line telling HOW TO INTERPRET THEM ...
t> (characterset latin-1, cp437 ...)
t> I don't think "cp437" is recognized as a charset for the Internet.
YOu think corretcly ...
I just wanted to enumerate some charsets. (some of them as cp437 are not
used on the internet :)
SH>> Can the receiver easily switch his setup from one character set
SH>> to another without messing things up?
RM>> He should ... naturally it depends on the program.
RM>> (the mail client I use here does this great ...)
t> Ricsi, what mail reader do you use? Is it SoupGate-DOS v1.05?
No Golded ... (I think we already discussed it, and came to the solution,
that this program is too complex for people not knowing FIDO ...
actually it is a FIDOnet editor, with added Internet capabilities)
t> Do you view these characters as described?
t> Everything came out right for me, viewing in regular DOS with "Tiny
t> Editor", a mail-unaware text editor for DOS and OS/2.
And exactly this is the problem.
The text was written as cp437 (probably), than it was away and the header
stated that it is iso-8859-1 (which is wrong ... but the programs don't
know that, and show the wrong characters)
Insight solves this, by entering the values for some special characters.
Eg you know that � has the code 166 (just an example) and it knows that in
latin-1 it should be 154 ... than it replaces 166 by 154.
And everything is correct.
If viewed in pure DOS, you see only gibberish ... this is INTENDED
BEHAVIOUR !!!
t> Thomas Mueller
CU, Ricsi
- --
Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.}
- -=> Kids-They're not sleeping, they're recharging! <=-
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:36:30 -0500
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't read HTM attachment
Neil,
This is the way your post came thru to me:
>>Contents:
1 Mail message body
2 Information about this message.
3 <no topic> * Binary *
================================ Begin Part 1 ================================
Topic: Mail message body
Format: ASCII
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from ns.arachne.cz (ns.arachne.cz [212.24.129.58])
by spamgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id
LAA02024; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:56:20 -0500 (EST)
Received: (from mail@localhost)
by ns.arachne.cz (8.9.3/8.8.7) id RAA04065
for arachne-list; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:52:49 +0100
<HEADER SNIPPED>
Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary=Message-Boundary-18361
Subject: Can't read HTM attachment
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.50
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I recently received an email in the increasingly common format of plain
text followed by the same info in html. Usually those are no problem.
But when I tried to read the html portion of this one, it started to
display and then suddenly changed to the Arachne Fatal Error screen.
Since the html msg is short, I am attaching it to this msg. (If you try
to view it and get the Fatal Error screen, you probably don't have to
reboot. I didn't.)
- --
...This msg brought to you by NEIL PARKS Beachwood, Ohio
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.en.com/users/neparks/
========================= End Part 1 / Begin Part 2 ==========================
Topic: Information about this message.
Format: ASCII
This message contains a file prepared for transmission using the
MIME BASE64 transfer encoding scheme. If you are using Pegasus
Mail or another MIME-compliant system, you should be able to extract
it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system
administrator for help.
---- File information -----------
File: LORI.HTM
Date: 10 Mar 2000, 11:46
Size: 906 bytes.
Type: Binary
========================= End Part 2 / Begin Part 3 ==========================
Format: BINARY
Name: LORI.HTM
% Part 3 is binary
================================= End Part 3 =================================
<<
Although the file information indicated that the file name was LORI.HTM, my
e-mail program saved it as MAIL030.BIN. Looking at the file, it appeared
that it was indeed just HTML, so I renamed the file, LORI.HTM, went into
Arachne (v. 1.48) Desktop, clicked on HTML files, went to the directory where
LORI.HTM was, and was able to read it without any problem, i.e., Arachne
didn't crash. I will try it again with 1.60 when I go home for lunch.
Hope this helps.
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona USA
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:05:32 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Eisenberger)
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
"Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If someone knows of some proper technical terms by which to describe
> various types of accent marks, please tell us about them.
http://www.ncf.ca/~ag221/accents/table.txt is Section
19. Table of ISO 8859-1 Characters
from the ISO 8859-1 National Character Set FAQ.
>> The default (hardware) DOS charset is CP437. Char 130 will appear as
>> an accented e, forward accent /. But in MS-Windows (ANSI charset) or
>> any system using ISO-Latin-1 it will appear as something else. These
>> systems use char 233 to display this character, which is the Greek
>> letter "theta" in CP437.
> Very interesting. I observe from the DOS console that your French
> language tagline uses character 233, or the Greek letter "theta" in
> order for it to rendered to character 130 (an accented e, forward
> accent /) in Arachne's Insight.
When editing French text in DOS, I enter ISO-Latin-1 8-bit codes and
load an ISO-Latin-1 VGA text font so I can see them correctly. The
tools I use are at http://www.ncf.ca/ncf/pda/computer/dos/util/ .
Howard Eisenberger
Ottawa
- --
Attention, ce message est compos� de particules subatomiques se
d�pla�ant � plusieurs centaines de milliers de m�tres par seconde.
Manipuler avec pr�cautions.
... DOS TCP/IP * <URL:http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ag221/dosppp.html>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:09:13 -0500
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't read HTM attachment
Neil,
No problem with 1.6b1 either.
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona USA
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:53:15 -0500
From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight
Marie Fischer wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
>
> > I thought about that, but was afraid that someone would complain about
> > the posting of a graphics file to the mailing list. I think the
> > characters are adequately described in the text.
>
> I think so too
Sorry, I must have been unclear in my post suggesting the graphics.
Sams' description was perfectly good - especially since I could see the
characters exactly as described.
What I meant was since I, and probably a lot of others, don't know what
all the different character sets look like and since the names are mostly
meaningless, it would be nice if there was a graphic available somewhere
that showed all of the common sets on one page, each with their label.
This way, neither the generating or viewing device gets in the way of the
discussion. <g>
- - Clarence Verge
- --
- - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/
- --
------------------------------
End of arachne-digest V1 #1032
******************************
