Hi
"Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
SH> If I set up my code page for ISO-8859-1, would the popular text
SH> editors perform differently?
Yes ... they would display the latin-1 characters correctly.
ALL textmode programs use the actual codepage.
PS: Some problems cp437 contains graphical lines ...latin-1 not, so some
programs layout may look weird ... (eg �s and other 'strange' characters
instead of lines.
>> ISO and DOS have _nothing_ in common.
SH> You said that if I set up my code page within DOS for a different ISO
SH> then I would see the characters differently from the DOS console. In
SH> other words, if I were to enter the command "type myfile.txt", the
SH> appearance of the non-English characters would vary according to the
SH> code page used.
yes ... if you type a latin-1 text, and use latin-1 CP, it will be
displayed correctly.
SH> I have the idea that changing my code page will eat up a lot of
SH> memory.
8 KB for display.sys.
>> SH> but it would not be readable with Net-Tamer, which is also
>> SH> considered a very good mail reader.
>> If it can't display iso latin-1 (defacto standrad) than I consider
>> it not to be a good mail reader.
SH> Maybe it can display ISO Latin 1.
You said that it can't ... IMHO it doesn't care about cp, and simply
allways use the current DOS CP.
>> Because nettamer simply ignores and does not care about that topic.
>> Nettamer seems to be written by an american for americans ...
SH> Net-Tamer may be used for sending and receiving messages in most
SH> European languages provided that both the receiver and sender use the
SH> same code page.
Sure ... but you don't need nettamer to do so :)
If both use the same CP, you don't need translation ... this is the trivial
case.
EG you are payed to translate the speech of 2 people.
If both people speak the same language your job is very easy :)
>> If you write your mail in iso latin-1 than it is displayed correctly
>> in 95% of the cases. (all windows mailreaders, all linux
>> mailreaders, all mac mailreaders) Only very old DOS programs have
>> problems with it.
SH> OK, this is very good to know. How much memory do you think I would
SH> lose by changing my code page to Latin-1?
ca. 8 KB
>> hmm ... I don't understand, if you load a different CP, you don't
>> need an additional application.
SH> Then a code page is not a DOS application? The code page is not some
SH> kind of TSR running in the background?
No .. it's data ... (layout of the characters)
You need display.sys to integrate it into DOS, and to be able to change it
later.
SH> Then the code page is an application running in the background and it
SH> translates and decodes?
No ... it's simply a 'graphics' of how the characters look like
>> SH> Characters sent should be the same as characters received
>> SH> and displayed.
>> You don't send charsets.
>> You send codes.
>> And these codes are interpreted by the codepage of the receiving
>> party.
SH> So why can't Earthlings learn to communicate as well as their
SH> hypothetical extra-terrestrial counterparts?
I don't understand ... you send numbers that correspond to some
characters in your CP.
The receiver receives numbers, and interprets them.
Usually nearly all programs are able to use latin1 ... so earthlings CAN
communicate !!
If you use a program, that is NOT able of doing so, it's YOUR problem.
>> So it is possible that codes are misinterpreted.
>> So you tell the receiver how you meant to interpret it.
>> (eg charset iso-latin1)
>> So you have provided enough information to display the characters
>> correctly. If they don't do so, it's THEIR problem, not yours.
SH> It is everybody's problem as long as we don't know what the standards
SH> are and we don't know how to set up our machines so as to be
SH> compliant with the standards.
The most used standard is LATIN 1.
Very many OSes (windows, all unices ...) use latin1 as their standard CP.
If you use DOS, you should use a program which is able to translate latin 1
characters into your local charset. (eg Insight)
>> SH> The exchanging of words ought to be made as easy as the
>> SH> exchanging of music.
>> Yes ... but you can't listen to a modern CD in a 20 year old tape
>> deck !
SH> But you can record on a tape everything that is on the CD and then
SH> play the tape and listen to it. The quality will be diminished, but
SH> not to the extent that you cannot appreciate it.
It's the same with mail.
You translate the characters and read it.
SH> Later,
SH> Sam Heywood
CU, Ricsi
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