On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:28:40 +0200, Bastiaan Edelman wrote:
> This list has been composed to check your caracter set:
I did intend to send the following list and did it with Outlook just to
see what happens... a disaster as you all could have seen.
New list....
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This list has been composed to check your caracter set:
128 = �
129 = �
130 = �
131 = � 156= � 181= � 206= � 231= �
132 = � 157= � 182= � 207= � 232= �
133 = � 158= � 183= � 208= � 233= �
134 = � 159= � 184= � 209= � 234= �
135 = � 160= � 185= � 210= � 235= �
136 = � 161= � 186= � 211= � 236= �
137 = � 162= � 187= � 212= � 237= �
138 = � 163= � 188= � 213= � 238= �
139 = � 164= � 189= � 214= � 239= �
140 = � 165= � 190= � 215= � 240= �
141 = � 166= � 191= � 216= � 241= �
142 = � 167= � 192= � 217= � 242= �
143 = � 168= � 193= � 218= � 243= �
144 = � 169= � 194= � 219= � 244= �
145 = � 170= � 195= � 220= � 245= �
146 = � 171= � 196= � 221= � 246= �
147 = � 172= � 197= � 222= � 247= �
148 = � 173= � 198= � 223= � 248= �
149 = � 174= � 199= � 224= � 249= �
150 = � 175= � 200= � 225= � 250= �
151 = � 176= � 201= � 226= � 251= �
152 = � 177= � 202= � 227= � 252= �
153 = � 178= � 203= � 228= � 253= �
154 = � 179= � 204= � 229= � 254= �
155 = � 180= � 205= � 230= � 255= �
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>This mail is
> composed and sent by Outlook Expres... just to see what is happening...
> The table shows ISI-8859-1 on the screen.
> The 'tabs' used to create nice colums are gone??
Spaces show like "o" in Arachne. (table loaded as ASCII-file)
Remember I am in M$ Outlook!
> And now the funny stuff:
> Suppose you want to use " e accented /" ISO-8859-1 code 233...
> Let's try Alt 233 ..."�" surprise!
> Now we type Alt 130 ... "�"�surprise again...
> Using Alt ### does not give you the 8-bit code ### but a translated code
> wich is not a translation from 437 or 850 to ISO-8859-1.
> Of course this would not be possible since the three tables are not
> alike and cover quite different caracters.
> Now some of the Alt codes manualy = from the keyboard
> 128 � => ISO 199
> 129 � => ISO 252
> 130 � => ISO 233
> 131 � =>
> 132 � =>ISO 228
> 133 � => ISO 224
> 134 �
> 135 � => ISO 231
> 136 � => ISO 234
> 137 � => ISO 235
> 138 � => ISO 232
> 139 � => ISO 239
> 140 �
> So to get ISO-8859-1 caracters you have to type ALT ### codes from 437
> or 850 code page... but how to generate copy right or registered sign
> which are not in the 437 or 850 cp?
> ALT 169 => � ought to be copyright sign in 8859
> ALT 174 => � ought to be register sign in 8859
> Well... to sort this out you have to type all 128 8-bit codes.
> I am not interested to find out how Billy corrupted the ALT key... but
> he DID!
> Outlook can generate a HTML page of this page.
> I will use it and send the whole lot to Arachne by e-mail... let's see
> what happens.
> CU Bastiaan
Well, a disaster... first of all Outlook asked me to download the
"UNISCRIBE" program (126kB) to make coding possible but the worse thing
is that the receivers of your e-mail also must have this special
decoding program... this is how Billy wants to dominate the WWW.
**** and this tactic may succeed! M$ users complain if you use correct
HTML codes and/or caracter set and are very surprised that you cannot
read the non standard codes they use with M$!
I also send the file as a "normal" e-mail file: that was much better
although Outlook warned that special caracters may show corrupted...
they did not (in Arachne).
How are things with Netscape ???
Michael stated the following (THANK YOU MICHAEL):
From: Michael Polak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:04:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: character set confussion...
============================================================================
>From the discussion in arachne-digest, it is obvious, that PC users using
western character sets were not really facing charset problems very
often ;-) Central and East European DOS users were facing these problems
every day, so nothing can surprise them.
First of all: Arachne completely ignores any possible DOS codepage
settings you may have on your system. I am sorry, but I don't even know
how to use this info, and I don't know what DOS uses this info for, in
fact.
Arachne uses 8-bit font set, which is ISO-8859-1 in default distribution
package, whihch is same as used on West European and U.S. Internet and in
copies of Windows distributed in West Europe and USA. (Correct me if I am
wrong !)
PC BIOS and DOS uses defaultly historical CP 850 charset, which includes
pseudo-graphic chracters on positions, which are reserved for accented
characeters in ISO character sets.
Most of CP 850 characters are not present in ISO-8859-2, so Arachne can't
output them even if you would define some keyboard translation map,
because these special characters are not included in Arachne's font set.
However, French and North European users can easily define (and
they do) keyboard translation map from their national keyboard (whatever
it is) to ISO-Latin-1 codes, and display correctly in Arachne.
Additionaly, in SYSTEM\CODEPAGE directory, translation tables can be
present, so eg. if HTML document contains tag
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-2">,
Arachne will try to use file SYSTEM\CODEPAGE\8859-2.cp to translate
document. This is case of Arachne homepage (I believe ;-), and as a
result, you shouldn't see any accented characters in Czech language
portions of www.arachne.cz - accented characters are mapped to
corresponding 7-bit A-Z characters by Arachne...
All what I have said is valid also for ISO-8859-2 fonts which are
distrbuted as APM, with exception, that we have one more problem with
Windows-1250 character set, which includes cca 6 characters on different
positions than ISO :-(
========================================================================
The "normal" char.set with Outlook is stated as ISO-8859-1 see next
example:
========================================================
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This list has been composed to check your caracter set:
128 = �
129 = �
130 = �
131 = � 156= � 181= � 206= � 231= �
132 = � 157= � 182= � 207= � 232= �
133 = � 158= � 183= � 208= � 233= �
134 = � 159= � 184= � 209= � 234= �
135 = � 160= 185= � 210= � 235= �
136 = � 161= � 186= � 211= � 236= �
137 = � 162= � 187= � 212= � 237= �
138 = � 163= � 188= � 213= � 238= �
139 = � 164= � 189= � 214= � 239= �
140 = � 165= � 190= � 215= � 240= �
141 = � 166= � 191= � 216= � 241= �
142 = � 167= � 192= � 217= � 242= �
143 = � 168= � 193= � 218= � 243= �
144 = � 169= � 194= � 219= � 244= �
145 = � 170= � 195= � 220= � 245= �
146 = � 171= � 196= � 221= � 246= �
147 = � 172= � 197= � 222= � 247= �
148 = � 173= � 198= � 223= � 248= �
149 = � 174= � 199= � 224= � 249= �
150 = � 175= � 200= � 225= � 250= �
151 = � 176= � 201= � 226= � 251= �
152 = � 177= � 202= � 227= � 252= �
153 = � 178= � 203= � 228= � 253= �
154 = � 179= � 204= � 229= � 254= �
155 = � 180= � 205= � 230= � 255= �
Recieved via e-mail... no "o"s for spaces.
==============================================================
And now the "UNISCRIBE" coding, also Outlock ...
-=> charset=utf-8
==============================================================
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This list has been composed to check
your caracter
set:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>128 = <BR>129 = <BR>130 =
‚ <BR>131 =
ƒ 156= œ 181= 206=
Φnbsp; 231= 缂R>132 =
„
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Well... thank you Michael for not corrupting the ALT key in Arachne.
The more I use her... the more I like her!
BTW: how can I see the source code of incomming (outgoing) e-mails?
anyone?
Bastiaan
-- Arachne V1.61, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
