On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 08:18:39 +0000, Ron Clarke wrote:


> On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:29:54 -0000, Neil Smith wrote:
>>> <snip> since almost all
>>> vendors now have system requirements for their browsers that can only be
>>> considered astronomical.

> Ain't that the truth.  I have been waging a one-man campaign against

Find allies, thusly: It's a MOTORING club, right? Now, think about some
member saving their pennies for the latest neat info gadget to take ON
THE ROAD with them. JavaScript adds a whole new layer, so the handiest
(read SMALL) and more popular gadgets won't incorpotate it for some time
to come. Picture that member (dues paid) trying to access the "services
locator" page when they're broken down. They've already paid for the
service and the tow, which fully implies that the info on where to get
it has also been bought. The way that it is MOST LIKELY that that info
should be acquired while TRAVELLING is denied them, thus they are denied
a pre-purchased service.

If it were me, I'd 1) Pursue the matter through arbitration, and failing
that proceed to law. 2) Definitely cancel membership immediately.

I think it'd be an obligation of conscience (not to mention to your
advantage) to let inform other members, not having this forsight, of
their potential situation.

Ya see, after asking, begging, and stating right and sense fails, it's
only human to get nasty   ;-)  Just be effective rather than ranting.

> the Royal Automobile Club of Victoria (Australia) about their website.
> It is a mixture of javascript and bad HTML. It also refuses to let you
> in unless you are using Netscape or IE versions 4.0 or better.

> I quote their latest reply - any suggestions ?  I have come to the
> end of my good manners.  I have been a member of RACV for more years than I
> care to think about.

The site can be accessed by Arachne by skipping the front page and going
directly to http://www.racv.com.au/frm_main.html . To navigate from
there, locate the mouse pointer over the destination link, and it will
be obvious how to navigate from there manually. The rest of the site is
fairly navigable, even the servicer search. This isn't a replacement for
a proper website; those not having your skills or software (read MOST)
face the likelyhood of being (often *quite* literally) out in the cold. 

>> In developing www.RACV.com.au, consideration was given to the choice of
>> browsers which would be used to access our site.  It was decided to
>> develop the site so it could be accessed with the most commonly used
>> browsers available free of charge to our members.

>> You are correct in saying that internet sites can be developed to be
>> accessed by both Javascript enabled and disabled browsers.  There are
>> extra costs involved in doing this and in an effort to ensure judicious
>> use of it's members funds, RACV decided to save costs by developing the
>> site for Javascript enabled browsers.  Doing this allows us to add more
>> functionality and creativity to the site.

It's late, cold, and raining. I'm not carrying a great deal of cash.
I've not had dinner, I'm not carrying my coat, and while indoors and
hooking up to tele lines courtesy of this kind proprietor, I can't stay
here. I don't need "more functionality and creativity". I need a tow.

The pen IS mightier than the sword; do not forget that when absolutely
necessary, the same end that inscribes can also pierce flesh. (No, Ron,
no!....  certainly not that you would).



Bob

Starts April 1, 2001
-- Arachne V1.67, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/

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