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> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:18:38 -0500 (EST)
> From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT: X apps on Win'95
>
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Andy Geoghegan, Superstar wrote:
>
> > I am a UNIX shell and SLIP account owner... when I browse the web using my
> > shell account and my ISP's UNIX machines, I use lynx
> >
> > I have heard that X or X Window is like a GUI for UNIX... and I remember
> > circa '90 - '96 at the now-defunct ivy high-tech/med book shop - TONS of
> > greek computer texts on: X.24, X.23, X.500, X Tools, X Motif - What Were
> > These??? What Were These books about??
>
> X.25 is the protocol for radio modem. I'm not sure about the
> other X.xx protocols.
>
Motif is a proprietary graphics API for Unix.
^^^\
what is an API??(I know what
proprietary means)
It's also what PC/GEOS used.
^^^^ I remember that GEOS was used/is used? on
internet phones/early wireless hand-helds
Lesstif is its open-source counterpart.
>
> > What Is X??
>
> X is the abbreviation for "X windows system" which is the
> low/medium-level graphics interface software. Motif
> would be the layer directly on top of X, then the window manager
> is the layer above that. Gnome & KDE are Desktop Environments
> which are even higher level layers atop the window managers.
>
What is QT??? before I deleted them (: I noticed qtfax, qtblah qtetc. on
some Win3.1 files in my old AT _ What were these "qt" files ??
> > can a random access shell/CLI+{SLIP} acct. user, "Install X?"??, remotely
> > on his or her's ISP's UNIX machines??
>
> No. You need root privelege to install X... that's even
> assuming the server has a graphics card. Many don't.
> HOWEVER, my last ISP had X installed, and even had some of the
> config files as part of each user's default files. That's
> quite the exception however.
Do 'ls -al' to see what kind of "dot" files you might have in your shell.
> (If your ISP has X installed, you should be able to run the
> vncserver from your user space though)
>
my ISP, I guess now, typically, does not have X installed
> > would I want to, or even could I, run/install/configure Netscape or IE or
> > even Arachne, remotely from my shell terminal to my ISP's UNIX rather than
> > on my own (DOS)-WindowsX machine?? would it be faster? ? ?
>
> I only downloaded VNC day before yesterday, so I can't say
> authoritatively what it can or can't do. Not to mention that
> there are other X server/client kind of programs besides VNC.
> Running programs on the Linux box and viewing them from Win'95
> over VNC hasn't been flawless... but this is "out of the box."
> I haven't even looked at any config files yet.
>
>
> CAN run: (*)Barely runs: (**)Doesn't run:
> - -------- ------------ ----------
> Netscape 3.04 Arachne-GGI
> xv xgalaga(+)
> Amaya 4.2.1 gtv
> ImageMagick
> xjewel
> tetris
> pine
> GIMP
> taipei
> xmms(+)
> slrn
> soundtracker(+)
> gv (frontend for ghostview)
> Netscape 4.76 (-)
>
THANKS FOR THESE YOUR ANSWERS!!! :) I UNDERSTAND *A LITTLE* NOW!
THANK YOU AGAIN!!
> (*) Barely runs
> - ---------------
> Arachne-GGI - I'm going to suppose that the extra GGI layer has
> something to do with it. Type in a URL and sit there twiddling
> your thumbs for 30 seconds for a text-only page from the same
> machine it's on. I stopped waiting after 5 minutes for a page
> with minimal graphics. During this time, Arachne was hogging 90%
> of the CPU cycles. Ordinarily, Arachne might gobble up to 25% and
> then die back to 0% as soon as the page is displayed.
>
> xgalaga - This is a highly graphical action game. You get about
> one frame every three seconds, so you're already dead before you
> even see anything coming your way.
>
> gtv - an mpeg player. Works fine if you want to step through
> the frames at about 1.5 per second, but at full speed, you might
> as well forget it.
>
> (-) Netscape 4.76 - runs fine for user "steve," but complains
> that it can't find a certain 100 dpi font when run by user "crow."
> Strange.
>
> (+) Obviously, since it's the host's soundcard that's in use, the
> Windows machine won't output any sound from its speakers from those
> apps. All the sound is coming from the host machine.
>
>
> Doing this over a 10Mbit ethernet is mostly satisfactory.
> Doing it over a modem would be purely for patience-building. ;-)
> VNC does have more than just a single protocol though, so it
> might be possible to optimize the protocol to whatever type
> of application you're using.
>
> - Steve
>
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> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:44:39 +0100
> From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT: X apps on Win'95
>
> Steve wrote:
> >Gnome & KDE are Desktop Environments
> >which are even higher level layers atop the window managers.
>
> Just to complicate things QT is before KDE ;-)
> //Bernie
again, what is qt??
>
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