On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Amen, brother!  I was a Commodore Commando for eleven years
> (a lifetime in computer years).  

  Same for me.  '82 - '92.

> I was a real virtuoso:  peeking
> and poking, programming in 6502 machine code, compiling, writing 
> magazine articles, business programs and adventure games, and being 
> a general know-it-all.  I even invented a buffer-overflow exploit 
> (fortunately I used my powers for good, rather than evil).

  I peeked, poked, and wrote 6510 machine code.  I 
got a book on C, and the (a?) C compiler for the C=64, 
but I just never could get into it much.

> And then came the decline.  As the IBM PC increased in popularity,
> Commodore wilted.  One-by-one the Commodore groups, magazines and
> contacts disappeared.  Most of my Commodore friends switched to
> IBM PCs.  I became more and more isolated in my Commodore world.
> I was stubborn to the last, telling anyone who would listen that
> Commodore could do anything and that there was no need to switch
> to this new IBM thing, with all its fancy commands and complicated
> ways of doing things.  Sound familiar?

  Sounds WAY familiar!  ;-)

> Eventually I surrendered and bought a new 386.  

  That bright shiny new 386SX-16 was running at a clock 
speed SIXTEEN times faster than the C=64, not to mention 
it had a whole MEGA-byte of RAM!!!!
  Yes, that's SIXTEEN times the speed, AND SIXTEEN 
times the memory!!!  Not to mention, that it comes
with a FORTY MEGA-BYTE hard drive!!!
  My God, man, it's a super-computer!

  Have you tried "DOSSHELL"?
The number of directories and subdirectories is just
staggering!  It'd take a year just to explore it all.

> I hated my IBM PC.  
> I hated the fact that I had gone from Commodore hero to IBM zero.

  There's the rub.  Spend all that time to become
proficient, and now all that knowledge is about as
useless as an 8-track cassette... or a BetaMax machine.
 
> The transition from Commodore to DOS was *very* painful for me.
> But it was worthwhile.  I just wish I had done it four years
> earlier.  Because, by the time I was comfortable with DOS, it 
> was already in decline.  The world was moving to point-and-click
> and I would soon be obsolete again.

  For the last couple of Commodore years, I was using
GEOS, so I was already getting into using a joystick
to push a cursor around the screen.
  The biggest reason I got a Laser brand PC was that
it came preloaded with PC/GEOS.  In that respect, it
made the transition somewhat easier.

> > You don't really have to dive in all at once.  You can just 
> > stick a toe in to begin with. Either dual-boot between DOS and 
> > Linux, or get a throwaway computer (or a $10-$25 ebay special) 
> > and put Linux on that.
> 
> I'll second that.  Even a 386 (with 8meg RAM) is just fine.

  I don't think I'd want to try running X on that, 
but sure, for a sandbox server machine, it'd be fine.

 - Steve

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