On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, arachne-digest wrote:
>
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:55:03 -0500
> From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: KLEZ.H and Outlook
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:08:21 +0300 (EEST), Cristian Burneci wrote:
>
> > The worst part is that the vast majority of computers come with winblows
> > preinstalled. This is almost certain when the computers are acquired in
> > bigger quantities for company use.
>
> At WalMart and other discount stores one can buy new computers without
> any OS installed, and they can be bought for hundreds of dollars less
> than what you would pay for a computer with a pre-installed OS.
>
If I want to install Windows later, it will cost me more :)
You may reply advising me to use either DOS or Linux. Well, it's a very
mixed enviroment here. The accounting software is custom made, being a
pure DOS application. There are a couple of Linux servers doing various
jobs, and we have several legacy 386 and 486 computers converted into
graphic terminals, conected to the above machines and a good part of
the office paperwork is done using Linux and the respective office
suites.
But there are still Windows machines (even the DOS stuff has to use the
Windows networking in the end) and still it is not possible to bring
all our workstations into the Linux world.
>
> Acording to what is being posted in newsgroups for PINE users and
> OPERA users, the built-in email client that comes with the Opera
> Browser and also PC-PINE for Window$ is very secure from attempted
> virus attacks. BTW, PC-PINE for Window$ is free. The Opera browser
> also is free. You can disable banner ads provided by the browser
> developers if you register it. The license agreement has no
> requirement for the user to pay for it in order to continue using it
> after a trial period.
>
In the mean time we have decided to use Pegasus Mail (multiuser and
multidrop and freeware). I tested it with some genuine viruses like Klez
and Badtrans in real world and it didn't "bite". I am also thinking of
Pine as last resort, but Pegasus is more Outlook-like and it's easier to
migrate.
> Sam Heywood
> - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
>
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:22:07 -0500
> From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: (OT) klez
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:43:17 +0300 (EEST), Cristian Burneci wrote:
>
> > For those who at a certain moment would have to clean a Klez.H
> > infected computer, the information at the following URL is of great help:
>
> > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > The disinfection tool works very well.
> > Also, I've noticed the fact that the Klez version I've disinfected, uses
> > to create RAR archives containing itself and spread them all over the
> > place. These may remain unscaned by the antivirus. Take care.
>
> F-PROT for DOS most certainly will detect KLEZ.H in a RAR archive.
> If your virus scanner cannot detect a KLEZ.H in a RAR archive then
> you should consider upgrading to F-PROT for DOS.
>
> As an experiment I copied from my trashbox an email message containing
> a KLEZ.H to a directory C:\VIRUS. I renamed the file CRAP.MES. Then
> I archived it by using RAR.EXE to produce a file named CRAPBOX.RAR.
> CRAP.MES was the only file in the archive. Next, I deleted CRAP.MES.
> from the directory C:\VIRUS. CRAPBOX.RAR remained as the only file in
> the directory C:\VIRUS. Then I scanned the directory for viruses by
> using F-PROT for DOS.
>
> Here are my results of virus scanning:
>
> - --------
> Virus scanning report - 26. June 2002 10:57
>
> F-PROT 3.12a
> SIGN.DEF created 24. June 2002
> SIGN2.DEF created 24. June 2002
> MACRO.DEF created 11. June 2002
>
> Search: c:\virus
> Action: Disinfect/Query
> Files: Attempt to identify files
> Switches: /ARCHIVE /PACKED /REPORT=c:\virus\report.xxx
> No viruses found in memory.
> No viruses were found in MBRs or hard disk boot sectors.
>
> C:\VIRUS\CRAPBOX.RAR->CRAP.MES->Uqde.exe Infection: W32/Klez.H@mm
> Virus-infected files in archives cannot be disinfected.
>
> Results of virus scanning:
>
> Files: 2
> MBRs: 1
> Boot sectors: 1
> Objects scanned: 6
> Infected: 1
> Suspicious: 0
> Disinfected: 0
> Deleted: 0
> Renamed: 0
>
> Time: 0:01
> - ------
>
> Sam Heywood
>
>
> - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
>
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:27:00 -0500
> From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: KLEZ.H and Outlook
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 02:57:21 -0500, Day Brown wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem is the way software has been sold. It should have been
> > done more like gasoline, or as is being proposed, based on ongoing user
> > fees, tolls. If Arachne, for instance, rather than depending on a one time
> > charge for forever use, was setup for some small amount every year, then
> > the pressure to constantly upgrade (and therefore modify for the sake of
> > having new 'features' to sell it) would diminish.
>
> No, this is not part of the problem. If you had a product or a
> service to sell you would of course go about your business of
> marketing it in whatever manner you think will bring you the most
> money. Marketing schemes which envision the constant development
> of "new improved" versions of a product will often result in sales
> to repeat customers, but only if the new version is indeed an
> improvement from the point of view of the customers. Sometimes the
> "new" version doesn't go over well at all with the customers. Do
> you remember the "New Coke"? It was the biggest marketing failure
> ever for the Coca-Cola Bottling Company, even though they hired
> lots of popular celebrities representing many races and ethnic
> groups to promote and advertise it. Except for the celebrities
> who were paid enough money to say that they liked it, most of the
> whole world sung out in perfect harmony against it.
>
> I cannot understand why the general public tends to be so accepting
> of the new versions of Windows and MSIE. Maybe it is due to a
> genetic predisposition for such a bizarre abnormality. Fortunately
> for a few of us, we were lucky enough to have been born without the
> defect.
>
> >> - Back to using Arachne V1.62 ....
> > which is no longer an option for me. Arachne will not logon to either of
> > my local servers.
>
> Maybe your ISP is now using "dynamic DNS addressing". Try setting
> up your Arachne to login using LSppp. LSppp supports dynamic DNS.
> EPPPD doesn't.
>
> Sam Heywood
> - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
>
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:34:20 -0500
> From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT: BeOS info
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:48:01 +0000, "Edenyard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:16:28 -0500, Day Brown wrote:
>
> >> Well, what I've been kinda watching for, is an os that'll
> >> run those things I cant find dos drivers for. like a scanner,
> >> digital camera, or functional secure creditcard online and a
> >> news/email/browser package.
>
> I use Lynx386 for DOS to use my credit card for ordering
> products online. Lynx386 for DOS supports https, but not
> JavaScript. Most commercial sites use JavaScript. Some don't.
> Guess which commercial sites get my business? Guess which
> commercial sites receive my complimentary feedback for their
> webmasters?
>
> A very fine news/email/browser package is Nettamer. When used
> as a browser it cannot do inline images like Arachne, but it
> does text browsing quite well. Images may be selected one by
> one and individually downloaded and viewed one at a time. There
> is also a Nettamer version that has no image-viewing capability
> whatsoever. Nettamer does not do https nor does it do JavaScript.
> The front-end user interface for doing the email and news
> functions may be greatly enhanced by using a third party
> postcard-ware program known as NTReader. For people who use
> screen-readers for doing Nettamer, NTReader unfortunately does
> not "talk well" for them. Nettamer used only by itself does
> indeed talk quite well, and it is known as one of the very best
> internet apps for people who use screen readers. Quite
> understandably, those folks don't like any programs or operating
> systems that have a graphical interface.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Quite right. So there are some smaller browsers. I hate to recommend
> > Opera but it's CLAIMED to be faster than NS.
>
> I sometimes use Opera. It seems to go quite fast, but I haven't
> timed it to make comparisons. Let me tell you about something
> that Opera can do that no other browser I know of can: If a
> download is interupted, you can "re-start" the download at the
> point where the first download attempt broke off.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sam Heywood
> - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:39:10 -0500
> From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Old dos archive
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:13:30 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:16:05 -0500,
> > Samuel W. Heywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > <<
> > <snip>
>
> > WARNING: If anyone should download UNRAR250.ZIP you would
> > be well advised not to unzip it to a directory on your hard
> > drive. This zip file contained a 654 byte file named BEOS.INS,
> > or something similar, that I could not figure out how to delete
> > by any method other than by resorting to "DELTREE"!!!!! The
> > file had no hidden or system or read-only attributes and it
> > apparently was not a virus.
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Sam Heywood
>
> > You probably know this already, but just in case you don't,
> > oddball files can sometimes be deleted by using wildcards
> > like B*.INS or BEOS*.* .
>
> Thanks. I had of course already tried that. It didn't work!
>
> Sam Heywood
>
> - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
>
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:24:37 -0600
> From: anarkisseD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: KLEZ.H and Outlook
>
> At 06:08 AM 6/26/2002, you wrote:
>
> >After spending a whole day disinfecting several computers, we've decided
> >to remove Outlook (if this is possible) and to use some other mailer. The
> >choices are between Eudora and Pegasus Mail. The 32 bit Foxmail
> >unfortunately uses MSIE to render the HTML messages, and I've already seen
> >infections carried out by Foxmail :( I'm looking for mailers which by no
> >means, no matter the setting, behave like Outlook.
> >
> >Cristian Burneci
>
> I use and love Eudora Pro. I did get the Klez sent here and unwittingly
> clicked on an infected mail one time (well not clicked as I actually work
> with keyboard commands, LOL) and surprisingly enough it just showed me the
> letter with the link to the mystery attachment. Now I'm not one who EVER
> just clicks on attachments. If it's a jpg I open my picture viewer and
> navigate to my attachments directory. If it's anything else I may drag and
> drop it fromt eh attachments into my notetab pro and scan the contents for
> clues. Is how I discovered the Klez worm for myself in the first place!
> Anyway, if you do go with Eudora, reset the attachments folder for
> someplace very easy to find and teach the users to examine attachments from
> there rather than from within the mail. Teach them to open the application
> then use the open command in the application to open the relevant
> attachment. You can avoid a LOT of problems if you just get them to let go
> of that left mouse button although I know that may be impossible.
> I have one client who double clicks everything every time. i cannot get it
> through to him that double clicking should not be used for all left
> clicks! That finger just bounces anyway!
> Oh, no, he's not stupid. He's really quite intelligent, on other
> areas. He puts his energy elsewhere than his computer.
>
>
>
> I wish I were a glow worm,
> 'Cause a glow worm's never glum.
> How can you be unhappy
> When the sun shines out your bum?
>
> http://anarkissed.myip.org
>
> end transmission
> [o^o]
>
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:27:19 -0500
> From: Day Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT: BeOS info
>
> I can understand the need for a gui if I'm pulling up webpages
> or scanning images. But one of the things I liked about
> Nettamer was that the color ansi menu system left more lines
> of text on the screen, and if what you are trying to do is do
> email, that's a good idea.
>
> Suse comes with 'mail client' that is nearly that simple, but
> it has a default white background with black font, trying to
> mimic white paper. Which is a bad idea cause paper is a
> reflector of light, while the screen is an emitter. the glare
> is rediculous. It does however, leave the original message on
> the left, and when you reply, opens a window on the right, so
> you can see the original post before you started messing with it.
>
> And if you change the bgnd/forgnd in Netscape's mail tool, it
> tries to do that with the webpages as well. Which'd be ok, but
> sometimes it only changes the background from light to black,
> but not a black font. cant read anything.
>
> So, a modular system, that did the text in text mode, and the
> surfing in gui would make more sense. Arachne came pretty close,
> but my local isp did something, and dos wont logon any more.
> Even so, it wouldnt do usenet. Which is kinda curious for a tool
> for lower power systems. the alternative to usenet is crap like
> the Yahoo's or AOL, and a few scattered hosts like Arachne's.
>
> I rather like Usenet, it feels kinda like CSPAN, no glitz.
>
> As recall, Opera dont have usenet either. the only tool which
> I found that had private mail, usenet, surfing, and online credit
> card functionality was netscape. I guess OE does that too, but I
> dont do windoz.
>
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