On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:28:31 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:00:59 -0400, L.D. Best wrote:

<snip>

>> That said, let's get back to the subject at hand -- the loss of civil
>> and human rights in the name of National Security.  It's a bit scarey
>> ....

> Very scarey and creeping into the legislation of other western
> democracies, slowly... but...

Benjamin Franklin had expressed a most thoughtful opinion on this
subject more than two hundred years ago.  He said "They that give up
essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety."

See
http://www.constitutionproject.org/ls/mission.htm
Liberty and Security Initiative -- Mission Statement

> In most civilysed countries a gun owner is classified: a criminal

There are no civilized countries where the citizens are not allowed
to own guns.  Such citizens are called slaves and their masters are
called dictators.  There is no society of free men and women who do
not have the right to own guns.  People who would without reasonable
and just cause deny to others this right while retaining it only unto
themselves have criminal motives and intentions.

Sam Heywood
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