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From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and
the human rights


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> There are no civilized countries where the citizens are not allowed
> to own guns.
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My dictionary defines civilize as "... get rid of barbarous habits..."
Whilst I do not want to make any claims as to which country is or is not
civilised, the only way I can see that owning guns might get rid of
barbarous  habits is by the citizens acting as an armed police force. That
would only be necessary to control potentially bad citizens. Unfortunately
they would also have guns!

Perhaps the only truly civilised society would be one where everyone was
allowed to own weapons but no-one wanted to take up the option.

John


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