On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:24:25 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:55:16 -0500 (EST), Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Richard Menedetter wrote: >>> Anyways ... it is very important to me how american's think about international >>> law. >>> If the majority thinks that america should do its thing, while killing and >>> breaking law, I will try to unsubscribe ... >> The US Constitution allows the US to go to war under 3 >> conditions only: >> 1) US attacked. US can counterattack. >> 2) Congress declares war. >> 3) US sends troops in accordance with provisions of a treaty. >> This American believes we should adhere to our own >> Constitution, and never send troops anywhere unless one of >> the above conditions exist. When we "liberated" Kuwait from >> Saddam, for instance, none of those existed. We even >> "invited" Saddam to invade Kuwait by saying, "We do not have >> any defense treaties with Kuwait, and there are no special >> defense or security commitments to Kuwait." This was >> broadcast, and told to Saddam personally by one or our >> Ambassadors. > If I am correctly informed: the President has also the right to declare > a war. (2) No. Only Congress can declare war. http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt This is the entire US constitution (including all 27 ammendments) [45kb text file] --- Article 1, section 8 clearly states --- Section 8 The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; To establish Post Offices and Post Roads; To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court; To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations; To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. ____________________________________________ > History learns that a cry for help from a country that has been attacked > may also result in a war... declared by the Congres? (2) > Examples: Vietnam, Koeweit, .... Those are some of the examples that Steve was refering to where our constition was NOT followed. The US was not attacked. No declaration of war was ever made by congress. No treaty between the US and those countries been violated. Nor would have the Korean war or the Vietnam war. All 3 of these wars were 100% legal by international law. All 3 of these wars were 100% direct violations of the US constitution. So Steve is correct. If the we had simply followed our own constitution. None of those wars would have happend. -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/
