Hi, I deeply regret not to have a copy of "On the origin of species" but
at this very moment I do not have time to read it since I am studying
some history now.

Bob mentioned the "treaty of West Phalia" and it was not that easy to
find something about that. After a while I realised that this treaty is
known here as the treaty of Munster (capital of West Phalia then).
You did mean that treaty in the year 1648, did you Bob?

Anyway that treaty is very important to Dutch history for it marked the
end of the 80 year war (beter 80 yaer revolution) and the withdraw of
the Spanish army from "The Republic of the Seven Provinces" better know
as Holland, being the most important province at that time. Zeeland was
second, New Zealand called after this province.
On old maps Australia is marked as New Holland ;-)

Very interesting stuff and giving the start of an answer to the question
why the US do not listen to 'the rest of the world'.
BTW: the rest of the not western-world is for the same reason not hapy
to hear the voice of the US or Europe... they think they hear the sound
of kolonialism in the voice of the US or Europe.

On top of all that I last night saw a very interesting documentary on
German TV (BR = Bavaria)... 3h 30min of French <-> German relations and
wars from abt. 1870 thru 1962. Devestating material damages and millions
of death for very silly reasons and some very stuborn and silly leaders.
George W is born 100 years late and in the wrong place, Europe would have
been a better place.

Regards, bastiaan
Still studying... Dutch history at school is very, very bad :-(
 

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:53:17 +0000, Ron Clarke wrote:

> her way.

> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:12:19 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) writes:
>> (previous subject: Iraq vs. N Korea)

>>> People have found millions of proofs for evolution.
>>> (dinosaurs which are more than a million years old [measured with
>>> C14], embrios
>>> which have a tale in the early development, .....................)

>> Hi Ricsi,

>> Actually, Carbon 14 results have an 'error swing'. This has been
>> discovered by comparing dendochronology (tree ring dating) with C14
>> dating. Starting from the modern era and working backward, the error is
>> slightly off -showing earlier or later than actual dates (but I can't
>> remember at the moment on which side the error starts) - then coming back
>> to coincidence with dendochronology, then swinging the other way.

> The C14 error becomes significant at about 40,000 years.

> Fortunately, there are other isotopes that are more reliable, such
> as potassium, silicon, and so on.

> Ricsi, I agree with you, but I have to say that the claim of embryonic
> development being a mirror of evolution has been thoroughly debunked. It
> is not a valid argument for evolution, and doesn't really need to be.

> Darwin never claimed that, either. It was proposed by well-meaning,
> but misguided, supporters of evolution

> Evolution, natural selection, and so on, stands on its own observed
> data, it doesn't need artificial support.

> Am I the only one who actually owns a copy of "On the Origin of
> Species" ?

> Regards,
>     Ron (of the wooden spoon)

> Ron Clarke
> http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html
> http://tadpole.aus.as
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