On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:46:53 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:10:23 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 Casper Gielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> The first casualty of war is the thruth... would be nice to have some
> more references on Caspers story.

> Yesterday night television showed some faint evidence that the story:
> "Iraqi troups murdering babies in a hospital at the invasion of Kuwait".
> This was a fake by the Kuwaity government who ordered a New York
> advertising firm to make a TV-spot showing the badness of Sadam.
> If the television chanel is right or wrong? I can not check that.

In waging war as well as in conducting business as usual, the truth
will always suffer.  It doesn't matter whether the propaganda showed
staged events or whether it was real film footage of events that
actually happened.  It is not the purpose of propaganda to present
the truth.  The only purpose of propaganda is to present information
designed to influence your opinions, your attitudes, and your
behavior in favor of the parties behind the propaganda machine.  If
the propaganda influences you in the way it is intended to do, the
propaganda is good.  Normal advertising is an example of propaganda.
If it influences you to buy the product, the advertising is good,
even if I could successfully prove to you later that the product you
bought is greatly inferior to the competitor's product which was
ridiculed in the staged demonstration you saw in the advertising
video.  Propaganda does not need to appeal to intelligent people in
order to be effective.  Just look at all the millions of people who
are buying the Micro$oft Butterfly.  From the standpoint of trying
to knock out its major competitor, is Micro$oft doing anything wrong
by promoting the Butterfly?

> Anyway... wars often start with a lie. The North Vietnamese did not
> attack an American Navy vessel. This story started the Vietnam war.
> History books are filled with lies... detected many years after the wars
> are over.

The story did not start the Vietmam war.  It just gave rise to the
escalation of the war.  The Vietnam War started with the Viet Minh
uprising to kick out the French colonialists.  The French lost.  Then
the country was divided between north and south.  Some accords were
written and agreed to.  The US signed on to the accords and pledged to
help protect the sovereignty of South Vietnam.  A revolutionary
movement arose within South Vietnam.  The revolutionaries called
themselves the Viet Cong.  The Viet Cong were supported by North
Vietnam.  South Vietnam asked the US to for military assistance.  The
US sent money and military equipment.  Also they sent a few troops
which were to serve only in an advisory capacity.  Gradually the
struggle against the VC escalated and more and more military equipment
and US troops were sent.  They started serving also in combat.  Then
North Vietnam contributed their troops to the conflict to support the
VC.  The story about the North Vietnamese patrol boats attacking a US
naval vessel in the Gulf of Tonkin might have been true.  It might have
been just partially true, or it might have been pure fabrication.  The
story of the attack was used as a pretext to justify the passing of the
Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which authorized the president, then LBJ, to
bomb North Vietnam.  Even without such a story they would probably come
up with some kind of self-defense justification for bombing North
Vietnam.  The Vietnam War was supposed to be just a small scale
operation to crush a relatively insignificant and upstart guerrilla
movement, but it eventually turned out to become a major war and a
really nasty affair.

Sam Heywood
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