On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 16:03, Allan McRae <[email protected]> wrote: > On 26/02/10 23:40, Roman Kyrylych wrote: >> What is the reason to move kbd out of the base group? >> Sure, it will be pulled in since initscripts depend on it, >> but so is file, for example, which is really only >> needed by mkinitcpio. So where do we draw a line? >> (just trying to understand the reasoning here) > > My reasoning is... I have used "file" before but I have no idea what > binaries are in kbd. Very subjective, but that is the best I have. :P
Fair enough. kbd clearly does not belong to the base group from this point of view. > > >> My comments, based on the wiki page: >> >> The following packages should not be in the base group, >> because they are not 'must have on every system' packages: >> * cryptsetup >> * device-mapper >> * dhcpcd >> * jfsutils >> * lvm2 >> * mdadm >> * ppp >> * reiserfsprogs >> * rp-pppoe >> * wpa_supplicant >> * xfsprogs >> they should be selected by the installer automatically, >> if it determines that they are required for the setup. > > I agree. But that is for the future when the installer is that smart. I > will file and installer bug report requesting this. > > >> The following packages should not be in the base group, >> because they are just a dependencies for other packages >> in the base group: >> * groff - /usr/bin/man uses it to format pages >> * tzdata - required by glibc > > Seems fine to me. > > >> The following packages are questionable: >> * diffutils - why it should be on every system? > > base=devel maybe? Yep, seems like it. At least initscripts/udev/mkinitcpio don't use it. The only valid use that can keep it in base (from my point of view) is diff -u file file.pacnew > Thanks for the comments. I should add that "base" means almost nothing to > me as I only use it for build chroots. My main installs start off with only > kernel26, initscripts, e2fsprogs, coreutils and pacman (or something like > that). To me base group means the absolute minimum of packages that must be on 99% of systems and don't include packages that are dependencies only, so that pacman -Qe shows nice list. All other things can be in Core but not in the base group. (BTW, I think the list of packages in Core is well reasoned) -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)
