Judd Vinet wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 10:13:03PM +0100, Philip Dillon-Thiselton wrote:
LOL. I'm crap at this. I swear all I do is make trouble for myself. I
used to hope I carried it all off in a vaguely entertaining way but now...
Yea, you are a bit of a hell-raiser. :)
I can but humbly apologise for that and try to do better by becoming an
apprentice of Sensei Xentac in the Art of
HowToGetThingsDoneQuicklyAndEfficientlyWithoutPissingPeopleOff (tm)
To be honest I think my main observation (not complaint) is that you've
worked to keep all the config settings in one file, rc.conf, but I'm
faced with the prospect of numerous profile files just to manage my
wireless connections. It just seems odd to me to have four different
files that only differ by one ESSID. With almost every other Arch
daemon pkg all the config takes place in one file in conf.d - I'm think
I'm just a bit disappointed it won't be the same for the wireless
stuff. Inefficent was probably a bad word choice.
Aye, and that was the original plan. I made a half-assed attempt at
keeping all the profile stuff in rc.conf itself, but the overall
feedback was that users found it too confusing to configure. It was
more flexible/powerful than the netcfg route, but it lost a bit of the
KISS stuff (on the surface, anyway).
So I traded it in for the multiple-file route. I figured that, this
way, it wouldn't disturb the non-wifi users at all and would still be
all KISSy n' stuff. And it is a bit similar to RedHat's ifcfg-eth0
stuff, so users wouldn't have trouble grasping the configuration style.
And I make no claims that it's a be-all-end-all solution. A couple
people have already illustrated scenarios where it doesn't work ideally
(such as yourself). But the Phils of the world are special cases unto
themselves, and I trust that they can cope with the shortcomings and
find some nice ways around them.
With the growth of the AUR, perhaps you could even offer your own
profile setup as an AUR package for those users who need more flexibility.
My feelings wouldn't be hurt, I promise. :)
I've already started thinking about that but it would just add another
layer of complexity - best to keep it as simple as you already have,
complicating the complexities is surely a doomed exercise!
I think you are right - in the past you have always managed to provide a
very balanced solution to most problems - I think we all appreciate the
work that must take. Or at least we would do if we didn't spend so much
time flapping our gums...
Yea, keeps em lean n' mean. Gum flapping is alright by me, as long as
we get stuff done at the end of it all. You can never please everybody,
but you try to please as many as you can in one go and hope the rest
understand.
- J
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