Hi all ! Im totally with with you cactus.
The newsletter are in control of the devs ? If so, im very sad, because, these kind of commentaries should never go for a official archlinux way of talking to its users. People have problems and all of us can do something that are wrong. I think that the people who put this in news should do a public apologize for putting this kind of commentary in the news. -1 for the current newsletter. Em Ter 09 Ago 2005 04:56, cactus escreveu: > As a vehicle for "official" Archlinux news, I am disappointed by what I > read in the recent ArchLinux newsletter. > > > Q: I behaved like an ass on some of the Arch community channels (irc, > > forums etc) and is now banned. Does this mean that I'm not welcome > > anymore and that Arch moderators hates me? > > > > A: No, it does not. You can normally just apologize and the ban will > > be closed. However, it's important to learn how to discuss in a PROPER > > way. It's allowed to flame if you can back up your stuff with some > > descent facts, but it's NOT allowed to behave like an ass for no > > reason at all. Not even if some other guys are doing it to you. > > Let me start by saying that I realize many people hail from different > cultures. Cultures where certain colloquial sayings likely bear more or > less weight than in others, and so such a phrase may be used > conversationally with no second though. Further, there are many Arch > users with whom English is not their mother tongue--even with those > which can claim such a thing, grammar sometimes eludes us--so > inconsistency in certain grammar elements is irrelevant to the discussion. > > Given that concession, and the fact that I am no where near what could > be considered a "prude", I am still curious if "behave like an ass" is > appropriate language for a newsletter. > > I was under the impression, perhaps mistaken, that the newsletter served > a dual purpose. To inform community members about the current state of > things, and as a tool for giving new users (and potential new users) a > glimpse inside the distribution. An ancillary marketing device, if you > will, but one that has an Archlinux dev team seal of approval (it > appears prominently on the front page in the "official news" section). > Is this appropriate language for such a thing? If I am mistaken in my > assumption about the focus of the newsletter, or how it is featured > prominently on the Archlinux.org front-page, then I can just overlook it > and move on--but let me know so I don't continue in my ignorance. > > However, I am having a bit more trouble simply overlooking what I take > as an exercise in needless public mocking of someone who made a mistake? > From an outsider viewing such a thing, it might even look silly and > senseless--perhaps funny even. From someone involved in the incident, it > could be perceived as purposefully hurtful and viscous. > > something more along the lines of the following could have easily > conveyed a similar message: > Q: I was banned from IRC (or Forums) by one of the moderators. What do I > do to get back in? > > A: First, think about the reason you were banned. If you feel it was > unwarranted, speak to a moderator. If you feel the need to apologize for > what, upon later reflection, you believe to have been inappropriate > behavior, then do so. > Please do not send tons of messages to moderators. Repeatedly messaging > a moderator seconds after banning is not a likely way to gain > re-admittance. Attempting to circumvent a ban (irc or forum), will be > looked upon rather harshly, and will likely result in a more permanent > or more serious ban. > > _______________________________________________ > arch mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch -- Douglas Soares de Andrade dsa at unilestemg.br UnilesteMG - www.unilestemg.br ICQ, MSN = 76277921, douglas at tuxfamily.org _______________________________________________ arch mailing list [email protected] http://www.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch
