In Arch especially I've found a lot of gnome users, just because it's a
bit slimer then gnome, even if it's probably the nastiest thing ever to
build, I really want 2.12's features, but I still think that Arch
handles gnome fine, release it like the package maintainers do, maybe
add a theme or artpack(xfce in Arch i.e., KDE's splash screen), but make
that another package, maybe also in gnome-extra
-sepht
From doing alot of support in the irc channel I would be more under
the assumption arch has more gnome users then kde. To really break it
down, most of what I see is people using something other then
gnome/kde and using gnome as a secondary. As for the quality, I have
been pretty happy with the installed version of gnome.
Maveric-i686-
Bozhidar Batsov wrote:
RedShift wrote:
Bozhidar Batsov wrote:
Hello,
With the upcoming release of the new GNOME 2.12, I want to say a
couple of things...
1. Arch is said to do not have a default desktop environment - even
so, I was left under the impression that a lot more work goes into
building quality KDE packages than GNOME's, which is somewhat
acceptable as I'm aware of the fact that most people use KDE
anyway. But you could at least personalize GNOME with Arch
splashsreens and default wallpaper the way you do it with KDE. You
could include be bug reporting tool in GNOME's menu and so on. I
noticed that even Xfce was more personalized than GNOME by
default... Than spend some time verifying that all is working at
least half as good as it should, for KDE runs perfectly in Arch in
most ways, but GNOME has many issues...
In what way does gnome have many issues? I run gnome and it works
perfectly. And why do you assume most people use KDE (unk!) and
(*sigh*) therefore is better maintained? And the maintainers should
keep their hands over the defaults the developers chose. To hell
with personalisation, time should be spent on testing packages
instead of personalising them, everyone changes it anyway.
2. Why is the KDE package installing all sorts of useless apps and
GNOME without the gnome-extras package is barely useful... I for
example know how to take care of things, but many user might not
know...
Have you seen the difference between gnome and gnome-extra? I think
you should revise, gnome-extra has alot of usefull applications.
gnome is the package group to get gnome working, and gnome-extra is
just an addon group with stuff like gpdf, in fact, most things to be
productive.
3.If the maintainers are too busy with other stuff to produce
quality builds of GNOME maybe we should start a small project -
something like FreeRock and DropLine to provide the de facto
standard GNOME for Arch Linux...
That's all from me folks. I'd like to congratulate all the Arch
core developers and maintainers which with they work have proven
that they may be outnumbered but they are never outgunned ;)
Best Regards,
Bozhidar
P.S. I still hope that someone can give me some advise as to what
is the problem with my current 2.10.2 installation of GNOME, if it
isn't bad packaging...
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1.Runs perfectly - as many things in life that is rather relative,
but I've had my hands on GNOME in several distros and even FreeBSD
and everywhere else I had better exprience with GNOME, but none if
this OS had evenpart of Arch's style ;) I'll reinstall GNOME, maybe
the fault is me, but I saw some other users complaining as well for
the quality of the builds and decided that maybe something was wrong
indeed with them...
As to KDE having far more users than all the other DE - I cannot
believe that someone questions that... For the past several years KDE
has always won the Deskop of the year award which is decided by users
votes and wins it with huge difference 70% KDE, 20%GNOME and 10% to
all the others... And on the subject that Fedora and Ubuntu are
ranked 3rd and 1st is distrowatch, I might add that they all the
other in top 20 except CentOS and Debian bias towards KDE...
Of course I've seen the difference between gnome and gnome-extras -
but gnome without gnome-ternimal and gedit by default???But then
again maybe I'm wrong - I do not claim to be an expert on the subject
- I just express my opinion...
About the personalization - I do personalize it myself ( Batman
style, hate distro personalizations anyway) but it really pissed me
off to see that it seem more attention was given to KDE and Xfce than
to my beloved GNOME. You must excuse me for that - when it comes to
GNU I kind of lose my temper...
Anyway I'm looking forward to the upcoming GNOME 2.12 ... May the
Source be with You ALWAYS ;)
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