Adam,
alright, I was not aware of the existence of this file (using Arches v2). I
guess we need include our newly defined entity type here. Is this the
reason for the error?
Thanks!
-Tobias
2014-04-01 17:02 GMT+02:00 Adam Lodge <[email protected]>:
> Tobias,
>
> No such thing as a stupid question.
>
> Assuming that you are running v2 of Arches, the file should exist in this
> folder: source_data\concepts\authority_files , and its name is actually
> ENTITY_TYPE_X_ADOC.csv
>
> If you're running an earlier version, just send me COMPONENT CERTAINTY
> TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV and we'll start there.
>
> --
> Adam Lodge
> Geospatial Systems Consultant
> Farallon Geographics
> 415.317.6625
>
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Tobias Kohr wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I feel a little stupid asking this, but which file do you mean
> with ENTITY_TYPE_X_AUTHDOC.csv? (Perhaps already the solution to my
> problem?)
>
> Cheers,
> Tobias
>
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:46:28 PM UTC+2, Adam Lodge wrote:
>
> Tobias,
>
> Could you send me a the COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> file and the ENTITY_TYPE_X_AUTHDOC.csv file? With those, I can probably
> tell you what the issue is.
>
> Adam
>
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>
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Tobias Kohr wrote:
>
> Hi Dennis, Koen, et al.
>
> we will have a closer look at the CIDOC extension and try to keep in mind
> that people have different interpretations for uncerainty.
>
> Regarding the technical implementation we're encountering problems in step
> 3, running install_packages.sh which throws the following error:
>
> root@srv-i3-fundstellendb:/arches-web/archesproject/build# source
> install_packages.sh
> Install packages defined in settings.py
> operation: install
> ...||ABSOLUTE DATING METHOD AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.VALUES.CSV
> ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ARCHAEOLOGICAL COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ARCHAEOLOGICAL HERITAGE (ARTIFACT) TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ARCHAEOLOGICAL HERITAGE (SITE) TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ARCHAEOLOGICAL TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ARCHES RESOURCE CROSS-REFERENCE RELATIONSHIP TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ARCHES RESOURCE CROSS-REFERENCE RELATIONSHIP TYPE AUTHORITY
> DOCUMENT.VALUES.CSV
> ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> ARCHITECTURAL TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "../manage.py", line 28, in <module>
> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv)
> File "/arches-web/archesproject/virtualenv/ENV/local/lib/
> python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 399, in
> execute_from_command_line
> utility.execute()
> File "/arches-web/archesproject/virtualenv/ENV/local/lib/
> python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 392, in
> execute
> self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv)
> File "/arches-web/archesproject/virtualenv/ENV/local/lib/
> python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 242, in
> run_from_argv
> self.execute(*args, **options.__dict__)
> File "/arches-web/archesproject/virtualenv/ENV/local/lib/
> python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 285, in
> execute
> output = self.handle(*args, **options)
> File "/arches-web/archesproject/build/management/commands/packages.py",
> line 47, in handle
> self.load_package(package)
> File "/arches-web/archesproject/build/management/commands/packages.py",
> line 52, in load_package
> install(settings.ROOT_DIR)
> File "/arches-web/archesproject/packages/cdscert/setup.py", line 60, in
> install
> authority_files.load_authority_files(package_settings.ROOT_DIR)
> File
> "/arches-web/archesproject/packages/cdscert/install/authority_files.py",
> line 22, in load_authority_files
> load_authority_file(cursor, mapping_files_directory, file_name)
> File
> "/arches-web/archesproject/packages/cdscert/install/authority_files.py",
> line 63, in load_authority_file
> concepts.insert_concept(settings.DATA_CONCEPT_SCHEME,
> adoc_dict['PREFLABEL'], '', 'en-us', adoc_dict['CONCEPTID'])
> KeyError: 'CONCEPTID'
>
> Our provisional Authority Files look like this:
>
> - COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv
> conceptid,PrefLabel,AltLabels,ParentConceptid,ConceptType,Provider
> COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_1,certain,,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY
> DOCUMENT.csv,Index,i3mainz
> COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_2,uncertain,,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY
> DOCUMENT.csv,Index,i3mainz
> COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_3,unknown,,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY
> DOCUMENT.csv,Index,i3mainz
>
> - COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.values.csv (do we need this
> one?)
> conceptid,Value,ValueType,Provider
> COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_1,1,sortorder,i3mainz
> COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_2,2,sortorder,i3mainz
> COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_3,3,sortorder,i3mainz
>
> Can anybody tell us what's wrong with our conceptid? Does the
> authority_files.py search for the ID in any additional place, where we
> should reference it?
>
> Cheers,
> Tobias
>
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 11:22:27 PM UTC+2, Koen Van Daele wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to get back at what Dennis said at the beginning of this
> thread. Im quite curious how you will get people to agree on (un)certainty.
> If feels like a very natural idea to talk and think about, but I haven't
> really seen it function properly in practice.
>
> We once did an experiment where we had 10 people who were used to entering
> data in our archaeological inventory system enter the same site. We paired
> the archaeologists: one more more experienced data entry person (a few
> years experience) and one newbie (a few months), so they would be forced to
> really think things through and discuss. In our database we have a field
> for certain the data entry person is about the location of the site, ie.
> about the polygon they might have drawn on a map. This field only allowed 5
> choices, ranging from 1 (I'm sure it's exactly where it needs to be) to 5
> (I have no idea whatsoever where the site is). We had a very detailed
> manual with examples of all these cases, what to use when, ...
> Final result of our experiment: every group had entered the location with
> a different level of certainty. So, based on the exact same information
> they had all drawn totally different conclusions. And this was about
> something as simple as the location of the site.
>
> So, I'm very curious about how you manage to prevent stuff like this from
> happening.
>
> The other thing I wonder about: how does certainty affect searching?
> Should a search for 'churches' only return sites that have a certain
> "certainty" attached to the interpretation? Are you working with sliding
> scale of certainty (ie. we are 75% percent certain about this statement) or
> a binary one (we're certain or uncertain)?
>
> Cheers,
> Koen
> ________________________________________
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> [email protected] [[email protected]]
> Verzonden: donderdag 27 maart 2014 22:36
> Aan: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]
> Onderwerp: Re: [Arches] "uncertain information" in Arches
>
> Thomas,
>
> Good question! You are quite correct that we haven't tried to include
> uncertainty in Arches.
>
> One reason is pretty basic: certainty is quite subjective from person to
> person. For example: most people agree that the earth is spherical. But a
> "flat-earther" may be very certain that the earth is not a sphere, but is
> instead a plane. His certainty does not make him correct, it merely states
> the degree to which he believes in his interpretation. Clearly, you can be
> very certain and very wrong at the same time. I guess my point is that in
> many cases "certainty" says more about the person making the assertion than
> it does about the thing being described.
>
> OK, all philosophy aside, one could easily extend any Arches graph to
> include a "certainty node". Such a node could point to a thesaurus (as
> many of the nodes in Arches already do), allowing a user to select from a
> list of "uncertainty levels". Really, any Arches graph could include a
> "certainty node" under any entity that you might want to qualify (for
> example, one certainty node for period and another certainty node for
> heritage type).
>
> Really, the hard part is not in getting Arches to allow you to add an
> "uncertainty level" to your cultural heritage data. Rather, the difficult
> thing is to decide how you'll get different people to agree on what
> constitutes certain vs. uncertain interpretations of heritage.
>
> Sorry that I can't be any more helpful... However, I'm very interested to
> hear how you will model uncertainty and how you will get people to
> implement it consistently. Please keep me posted!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2014, at 2:41, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> I have a question about conceptual modeling in CIDOC CRM, maybe there is
> someone one the list who is able to provide some guidance.
>
> As posted before, we are trying to integrate research data of neolithic
> sites into Arches. Now, naturally a significant part of this data has a
> level of "certainty" to which the information is correct. e.g. a site can
> consist of some features for certain (in this case modeled in the
> Archaeological Heritage (Site).E27 - Component.E18 relationship) but if
> others exist is uncertain. We believe this valuable information should not
> get lost (quite often theory construction is based on such information).
>
> For example it could be uncertain if an archaeological feature is to be
> named "pit" or "ditch" - or if it exists at all. Another example could be
> the questionable relationship of a findspot to a certain archaeological
> period. To make it even more difficult, different authors could have
> different thoughts on that.
>
> As far as we can see, the expression of such "uncertainty" is not covered
> by Arches yet. Is there a concept for the integration of such data in the
> future? We are currently thinking into potential solutions but are
> struggeling to find adequate expressions for uncertain information in
> CIDOC.
>
> thanks, Thomas
>
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conceptid,PrefLabel,AltLabels,ParentConceptid,ConceptType,Provider
COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_1,certain,,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,Index,i3mainz
COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_2,uncertain,,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,Index,i3mainz
COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_3,unknown,,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,Index,i3mainz
entitytype,authoritydoc,authoritydocconceptschemename
ABSOLUTE DATING METHOD.E55,ABSOLUTE DATING METHOD AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION.E48,ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION TYPE.E55,ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ARCHAEOLOGICAL COMPONENT TYPE.E55,ARCHAEOLOGICAL COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ARCHAEOLOGICAL HERITAGE (ARTIFACT) TYPE.E55,ARCHAEOLOGICAL HERITAGE (ARTIFACT) TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ARCHAEOLOGICAL HERITAGE (SITE) TYPE.E55,ARCHAEOLOGICAL HERITAGE (SITE) TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ARCHAEOLOGICAL TECHNIQUE.E55,ARCHAEOLOGICAL TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ARCHES RESOURCE CROSS-REFERENCE RELATIONSHIP TYPE.E55,ARCHES RESOURCE CROSS-REFERENCE RELATIONSHIP TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT TYPE.E55,ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE TYPE.E55,ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ARCHITECTURAL TECHNIQUE.E55,ARCHITECTURAL TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
CONDITION TYPE.E55,CONDITION AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
CULTURAL PERIOD.E55,CULTURAL PERIOD AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
DESIGNATION AND PROTECTION TYPE.E55,DESIGNATION AND PROTECTION TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
DOCUMENT COMPONENT TYPE.E55,DOCUMENT COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
DOCUMENT TECHNIQUE.E55,DOCUMENT TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
DOCUMENT TYPE.E55,DOCUMENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
EXTERNAL XREF TYPE.E55,EXTERNAL XREF TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
GEOMETRY QUALIFIER.E55,GEOMETRY QUALIFIER AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
HISTORICAL EVENT TYPE.E55,HISTORICAL EVENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
IMAGE COMPONENT TYPE.E55,IMAGE COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
IMAGE MATERIAL.E57,IMAGE MATERIAL AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
IMAGE TECHNIQUE.E55,IMAGE TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
IMAGE TYPE.E55,IMAGE TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
INVESTIGATION TYPE.E55,INVESTIGATION TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
LANDSCAPE COMPONENT TYPE.E55,LANDSCAPE COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
LANDSCAPE HERITAGE TYPE.E55,LANDSCAPE HERITAGE TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
LANDSCAPE TECHNIQUE.E55,LANDSCAPE TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
MANAGEMENT TYPE.E55,MANAGEMENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
MARITIME COMPONENT TYPE.E55,MARITIME COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
MARITIME HERITAGE TYPE.E55,MARITIME HERITAGE TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
MARITIME TECHNIQUE.E55,MARITIME TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
MATERIAL.E57,MATERIAL AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
MEASUREMENT TYPE.E55,MEASUREMENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
NAME TYPE.E55,NAME TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
ORGANIZATION TYPE.E55,ORGANIZATION TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
PERSON TYPE.E55,PERSON TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
SCIENTIFIC DATING METHOD.E55,SCIENTIFIC DATING METHOD AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
SUBJECT.E55,SUBJECT AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
TITLE.E55,TITLE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
TYPE OF DESIGNATION OR PROTECTION.E55,TYPE OF DESIGNATION OR PROTECTION AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
UNIT OF MEASUREMENT.E58,UNIT OF MEASUREMENT AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
