Yes I kinda interpret it the same way :) Lin
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:13 PM, David Jencks <[email protected]> wrote: > What works in my mind... > > if you want to discuss compliance on apache lists or run the ct for the > benefit of the apache project you should file the apache NDA. > > If you want to discuss compliance with your employer on whatever code your > employers license with osgi may let you work with, that has nothing to do > with apache. > > IANAL etc etc > > david jencks > > On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Alasdair Nottingham wrote: > >> I'm not sure this fully addresses Jeremy's question though. I think he is >> asking if people who have access to the CT via their employer need to have >> the additional NDA filed to discuss CT related issues. Since they can >> validly obtain the CT directly from the alliance. >> >> Alasdair >> >> On 1 Mar 2010, at 18:18, Lin Sun <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I agree, that sounds reasonable. We can then start discussing on the >>> list how we want to run the osgi CT with our aries jar and hopefully >>> people can execute one command to get all test results. >>> >>> P.S. I think it is called Compliance Test (CT) instead of TCK. >>> >>> Lin >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> What about following the route other projects have already used ? i.e. >>>> create a private mailing list opened to all aries committers with a >>>> filed NDA and discuss any TCK related issues there ? A restricited >>>> svn area could be set up as well to hold TCK material or custom >>>> configs, scripts, etc... >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:47, Jeremy Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I know there are many people on this list whose employer is a member >>>>> of the OSGi Alliance and hence they have access to OSGi member >>>>> materials. Myself included. There are others that aren't so this is >>>>> great step forward. I have some questions though: >>>>> >>>>> Do the results of running OSGi Compliance Tests count as confidential >>>>> or non-confidential? For example, stack traces and other diagnostic >>>>> information produced as the output to failing tests. Consider someone >>>>> who signs this NDA and configures a test machine with the appropriate >>>>> access controls to run the OSGi CTs for each hudson build. Can the >>>>> results be made publicly available? Can even a public yes/no be made >>>>> as to whether the CTs pass? This phrase in the NDA is the closest I >>>>> could find to this: >>>>> >>>>> "My subsequent use of the general knowledge, skills and experience >>>>> that I gain as a result of working with the information will not >>>>> constitute a breach of these obligations." >>>>> >>>>> but IANAL and this may just be about not limiting the individual's >>>>> subsequent pursuits. >>>>> >>>>> Also, where does this leave people who already have access to the >>>>> confidential material through another route (employer for example). I >>>>> wouldn't have thought they need to sign this NDA as they are not >>>>> receiving this information from the OSGi Alliance via the ASF. Then, >>>>> it is down to that person's individual or employer relationship with >>>>> the OSGi Alliance as to whether they are permitted to run tests >>>>> against Apache Aries and subsequently publish results. I hope there is >>>>> a mechanism (SVN revision number for example) of identifying the level >>>>> of the CTs that are run. >>>>> >>>>> At this point, it seems this is a discussion better had on a legal >>>>> list ... legal@ or jcp@ >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Jeremy >>>>> >>>>> On 26 February 2010 19:58, Kevan Miller <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Alasdair Nottingham wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Kevan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you made any progress on what can be done here? >>>>>> >>>>>> This process may change, but for now you can submit the Apache NDA -- >>>>>> http://apache.org/jcp/ApacheNDA.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> Fax to US +1-919-573-9199 or email a pdf scanned version to secretary@ >>>>>> >>>>>> Then send an email to jcp@ Something like: >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: OSGI CT access >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm a committer on the Apache Aries project and would like access to >>>>>> the OSGi CT. I've submitted an NDA. >>>>>> >>>>>> --kevan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cheers, >>>> Guillaume Nodet >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Open Source SOA >>>> http://fusesource.com >>>> > >
