That is my take as well.
Joe
David Jencks wrote:
What works in my mind...
if you want to discuss compliance on apache lists or run the ct for the
benefit of the apache project you should file the apache NDA.
If you want to discuss compliance with your employer on whatever code
your employers license with osgi may let you work with, that has nothing
to do with apache.
IANAL etc etc
david jencks
On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Alasdair Nottingham wrote:
I'm not sure this fully addresses Jeremy's question though. I think he
is asking if people who have access to the CT via their employer need
to have the additional NDA filed to discuss CT related issues. Since
they can validly obtain the CT directly from the alliance.
Alasdair
On 1 Mar 2010, at 18:18, Lin Sun <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree, that sounds reasonable. We can then start discussing on the
list how we want to run the osgi CT with our aries jar and hopefully
people can execute one command to get all test results.
P.S. I think it is called Compliance Test (CT) instead of TCK.
Lin
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]>
wrote:
What about following the route other projects have already used ? i.e.
create a private mailing list opened to all aries committers with a
filed NDA and discuss any TCK related issues there ? A restricited
svn area could be set up as well to hold TCK material or custom
configs, scripts, etc...
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:47, Jeremy Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:
I know there are many people on this list whose employer is a member
of the OSGi Alliance and hence they have access to OSGi member
materials. Myself included. There are others that aren't so this is
great step forward. I have some questions though:
Do the results of running OSGi Compliance Tests count as confidential
or non-confidential? For example, stack traces and other diagnostic
information produced as the output to failing tests. Consider someone
who signs this NDA and configures a test machine with the appropriate
access controls to run the OSGi CTs for each hudson build. Can the
results be made publicly available? Can even a public yes/no be made
as to whether the CTs pass? This phrase in the NDA is the closest I
could find to this:
"My subsequent use of the general knowledge, skills and experience
that I gain as a result of working with the information will not
constitute a breach of these obligations."
but IANAL and this may just be about not limiting the individual's
subsequent pursuits.
Also, where does this leave people who already have access to the
confidential material through another route (employer for example). I
wouldn't have thought they need to sign this NDA as they are not
receiving this information from the OSGi Alliance via the ASF. Then,
it is down to that person's individual or employer relationship with
the OSGi Alliance as to whether they are permitted to run tests
against Apache Aries and subsequently publish results. I hope there is
a mechanism (SVN revision number for example) of identifying the level
of the CTs that are run.
At this point, it seems this is a discussion better had on a legal
list ... legal@ or jcp@
Thanks,
Jeremy
On 26 February 2010 19:58, Kevan Miller <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Alasdair Nottingham wrote:
Kevan,
Have you made any progress on what can be done here?
This process may change, but for now you can submit the Apache NDA
-- http://apache.org/jcp/ApacheNDA.pdf
Fax to US +1-919-573-9199 or email a pdf scanned version to
secretary@
Then send an email to jcp@ Something like:
Subject: OSGI CT access
I'm a committer on the Apache Aries project and would like access
to the OSGi CT. I've submitted an NDA.
--kevan
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