scratch that. I'm working thru this:
http://maven.apache.org/developers/release/apache-release.html as
there's several steps I haven't done.

On 2 March 2010 16:17, Jeremy Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2 March 2010 02:28, David Jencks <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I've done most of what I think is needed for aries to be basically
>> releasable.  There are some bits left and possibly stuff I've missed.
>>
>> 1. legal file review.  There are a bunch of NOTICE files that claim that
>> work from osgi is included.  Really?  license and notice files are supposed
>> to apply to what is actually in an artifact or checkout.  Are some of our
>> source files copied from an osgi source?  Also all the legal files that end
>> up in binary artifacts need to be checked.  Also we need to run the rat
>> plugin: this should be configured in the default pom.  Not sure if I will
>> get to this.
>>
>> 2. actually using the eba-maven-plugn.  I'm not entirely sure how to make
>> sure that an eba is working so I didn't mess with this.  I think the plugin
>> itself is working well enough to use though.
>>
>> 2. ordering dependencies and dependency management.  I find it convenient to
>> have these alphabetized so I can find what I'm looking for, but I haven't
>> done this in most poms.  I'm not sure why there isn't a usable tool for
>> doing this but I haven't found one.  Dull but useful...
>>
>> 3. It would probably be a really good idea to run mvn dependency:analyze and
>> look carefully at the results.  The results from this can require
>> interpretation so its best if someone who is very familiar with how the code
>> works does this.
>>
>> 4. before a release all snapshots need to be resolved to released versions.
>>  I don't know if there are any snapshots.
>>
>> To summarize what I've tried to do:
>>
>> 1. default-parent has dependency management for the basic osgi dependencies
>> that all projects are pretty sure to use including the pax stuff used mostly
>> for testing.
>>
>> 2. each subproject has legal files in its checkout root
>>
>> 3. each subproject has an scm element in its pom, but no others do.
>>
>> 4. each subproject has dependency management for everything included in it.
>>  In addition, it has its subprojects listed in dependency management.  (this
>> is bent slightly for the samples).  This means that
>>  (a) modules in a subproject don't need to include versions for use of other
>> modules
>>  (b) you can get dependency management for all the modules in a subproject
>> by depending on the subproject pom with scope import.  (see the samples pom
>> for an example).
>>
>> 5. As a result of (4), modules don't have any versions in any dependency
>> elements.
>>
>> Release is going to involve...
>>
>> releasing the parent
>
> In trunk/parent I tried:
>
> mvn -DdryRun=true release:prepare -Papache-release
>
> Providing 0.1-incubating for the release version
> Defaulting to parent-0.1-incubating for the SCM release tag
> Defaulting to 0.2-incubating-SNAPSHOT for the new development version
>
> then when it builds the 'Top Parent POM' it outputs this:
>
> [INFO] [INFO] 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [INFO] [INFO] Building Aries :: Top Parent POM
> [INFO] [INFO]    task-segment: [clean, verify]
> [INFO] [INFO] 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [INFO] [INFO] [clean:clean]
> [INFO] [INFO] Setting property: classpath.resource.loader.class =>
> 'org.codehaus.plexus.velocity.ContextClassLoaderResourceLoader'.
> [INFO] [INFO] Setting property: velocimacro.messages.on => 'false'.
> [INFO] [INFO] Setting property: resource.loader => 'classpath'.
> [INFO] [INFO] Setting property: resource.manager.logwhenfound => 'false'.
> [INFO] [INFO] [remote-resources:process {execution: default}]
> [INFO] [INFO] [site:attach-descriptor]
> [INFO] [INFO] [assembly:single {execution: source-release-assembly}]
> [INFO] [INFO] parent-1.0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT/ already added, skipping
> [INFO] [INFO] parent-1.0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT/LICENSE already added, skipping
> [INFO] [INFO] parent-1.0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT/NOTICE already added, skipping
> [INFO] [INFO] Building zip:
> C:\cygwin\home\hughesj\oss\aries\trunk\parent\target\parent-1.0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT-source-release.zip
> [INFO] [INFO] parent-1.0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT/ already added, skipping
> [INFO] [INFO] parent-1.0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT/LICENSE already added, skipping
> [INFO] [INFO] parent-1.0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT/NOTICE already added, skipping
> [INFO] [INFO] Preparing source:jar
> [INFO] [WARNING] Removing: jar from forked lifecycle, to prevent
> recursive invocation.
> [INFO] [INFO] No goals needed for project - skipping
> [INFO] [INFO] [source:jar {execution: attach-sources}]
> [INFO] [INFO] [javadoc:jar {execution: attach-javadocs}]
> [INFO] [INFO] Not executing Javadoc as the project is not a Java
> classpath-capable package
> [INFO] [INFO] [gpg:sign {execution: default}]
>
> so it seems to be outputting 1.0.0 artifacts still. Any ideas?
>
> Then stops at the gpg stage. I thought it would prompt me for my key
> passphrase at this point. Do I need gpg-agent to be running?
>
>> updating the parent version wherever it is used (all subproject parents)
>>
>> releasing the subprojects in an appropriate order and updating their
>> versions wherever they are used.
>>
>> It might be worthwhile changing the pom version to 0.1-incubating-SNAPSHOT
>> (or something similar, 0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT?) before doing this because
>> then the versions plugin can be used to update use of a subproject to the
>> newly released version of what it uses.  Going from
>> 1.0.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT to 0.1-incubating won't allow this.
>>
>> As noted in the "root" pom, don't try to release the root pom and don't try
>> release everything at once from the root pom.
>>
>> thanks
>> david jencks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:55 PM, David Jencks wrote:
>>
>>> I started looking into cleaning up the build, and of course it is taking
>>> longer than I expected.
>>>
>>> I'm seriously hampered by failing tests in a fresh checkout.
>>>
>>> There are some projects in application that stop compiling if you
>>> alphabetize the dependencies.  It looks like osgi 3 artifacts are getting on
>>> the maven classpath before osgi 4.2 artifacts.  Adding exclusions to the
>>> dependencies seems to fix it if you can figure out where the out of date
>>> jars are coming from.
>>>
>>> The build is already much closer to a multi-release model than a single
>>> release model.
>>>
>>> I've diffed what I have so far and attached it to ARIES-173.  It includes
>>> scm info and a lot of version corrections.  Due to the failing tests I'm not
>>> too comfortable committing it.
>>>
>>> Is anyone else seeing test failures locally?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> david jencks
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Lin Sun wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>
>>>> It 'd be great if you are willing to fix these build issues, since you
>>>> just went through a big release in Geronimo.   :)
>>>>
>>>> I know the maven release plugin isn't friendly to use some cases, so
>>>> it is best we get these resolved to make our release process a bit
>>>> easier.
>>>>
>>>> EBA plugin would be a very nice add-on, if it comes in time with the
>>>> release.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Lin
>>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:56 PM, David Jencks <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to understand the problems you see better, but I do not
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> the maven background you guys have, any chance you could explain what
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problems are, why they are problems and the solution at some point?
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest immediate problem is that without correct svn info you can't
>>>>> do
>>>>> a release with the release plugin.  I'm pretty sure the way its set up
>>>>> now,
>>>>> when you try, the tag will be under maven's apache pom, not aries.
>>>>>  (you'll
>>>>> fail unless you happen to be a maven committer too). You definitely
>>>>> don't
>>>>> want to try to do a release without the release plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Organizationally there's no way that for instance blueprint,
>>>>> application,
>>>>> and samples should always be released in synchrony.  Any time two of
>>>>> them
>>>>> happen to be ready for release at the same time it will be purely
>>>>> accidental.  Right now everyone wants to get a milestone out the door,
>>>>> but
>>>>> looking at the different projects their state of completion is pretty
>>>>> much
>>>>> wildly different.  A decision to release all of them at once is not
>>>>> based in
>>>>> any way on them being equally complete.  I'm suggesting that since build
>>>>> fixes are needed anyway, why not set up a maintainable structure that
>>>>> will
>>>>> continue to work beyond this publicity release.  The benefit to users is
>>>>> that aries will be able to release bits in a timely fashion; otherwise
>>>>> the
>>>>> entire project will never be in a releasable state at once. (I'm only
>>>>> exaggerating a little bit :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> What got me looking at this at all is what look like wild gyrations that
>>>>> don't really use maven properly to get an .eba (or some artifact) out
>>>>> the
>>>>> door.  This might be ok for one release but (a) I think this can be done
>>>>> directly with the assembly plugin short term and (b) an eba-maven-plugin
>>>>> seems like the obvious more long term solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm willing to fix the build and probably work on an eba plugin, but
>>>>> want to
>>>>> be sure this is ok with everyone first.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Alasdair
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Feb 2010, at 18:18, David Jencks <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This discussion got me worried enough to take a look at the aries
>>>>>>> build.
>>>>>>>  Now I'm even more worried.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While it might feel good to try to push out a release as fast as
>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>> I'd prefer to see a sustainable build system in place first.  So far
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> looks to me as if aries is going to be a bunch of loosely coupled
>>>>>>> subprojects.  Building them all at once is not going to work for long.
>>>>>>>  I
>>>>>>> think we should recognize that and put that in the build system now.
>>>>>>>  To me
>>>>>>> this means:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. a parent pom that isn't at the root of the svn trunk.
>>>>>>> 2. each subproject has pom info sufficient so it can be released
>>>>>>> (mostly
>>>>>>> svn info)  (right now this is completely missing everywhere as far as
>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>> see, which will result in ares getting tagged into svn as part of the
>>>>>>> apache
>>>>>>> pom)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can still have a "fake" pom that builds everything, but it won't be
>>>>>>> part of any release procedure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having separately released subprojects does not prevent having a
>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>> vote on all the releases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd suggest a few other pom tweaks such as using resources and
>>>>>>> filtered-resources to distinguish when filtering is called for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In addition relevant to this particular bit of the thread, we need an
>>>>>>> eba-maven-plugin to assemble ebas.  Getting this into a first release
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be a great idea IMO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there's general agreement I can spend some time playing with the
>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>> and possibly working on the eba plugin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>> david jencks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeremy Hughes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 19 February 2010 13:09, Joe Bohn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd also like to see us release the sample applications but I think
>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>> at least one complication.  Both Blog Sample and AriesTrader
>>>>>>>>>> generate
>>>>>>>>>> EBAs
>>>>>>>>>> using different techniques - but both leverage the
>>>>>>>>>> maven-antrun-plugin
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> finally produce a file of type "eba".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I realised the .eba file generated in the blog-assembly module
>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>> being pushed into my local repo. I've made some changes to the
>>>>>>>>> pom.xml
>>>>>>>>> in ARIES-198 to fix this. So now it uses antrun to create the .eba
>>>>>>>>> artifact and the build-helper-maven-plugin to push the artifact to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> local repo. I needed to add NOTICE and LICENSE files to the .eba for
>>>>>>>>> the ianal plugin in the verify phase to succeed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've not used the build-helper-maven-plugin before.  Do you know if
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> will work with the maven-release-plugin to push the eba artifacts
>>>>>>>> when we do
>>>>>>>> a release?  If so, then I should look at using the same mechanism for
>>>>>>>> AriesTrader.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the result is that the eba will not be available in a maven
>>>>>>>>>> repository.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One of the differences is that AriesTrader first generates a jar
>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> maven-assembly-plugin and then copies this to an eba.  The jar will
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> managed by maven and IIUC it should be deployable as an
>>>>>>>>>> "application"
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> with an extension of "jar" rather than "eba".  If that is correct
>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps delivery of an application jar is an acceptable approach
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the 1st
>>>>>>>>>> release.  Unfortunately I haven't actually setup my equinox
>>>>>>>>>> assembly
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> deploy the eba yet - it still deploys all of the individual
>>>>>>>>>> bundles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Using the maven-assembly-plugin likely the preferred approach long
>>>>>>>>> term. Perhaps we could copy the artifact to .eba and use the
>>>>>>>>> build-helper-maven-plugin to remove the .jar artifact from maven
>>>>>>>>> control and add the .eba one?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can give this a try for AriesTrader.  If it doesn't work out - is
>>>>>>>> there anything wrong with the approach I mentioned earlier of just
>>>>>>>> using the
>>>>>>>> jar artifacts rather than the eba artifacts?  Will the current
>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>> support only look at *.eba archives?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to see at least those included:
>>>>>>>>>>> * blueprint
>>>>>>>>>>> * jmx
>>>>>>>>>>> * jndi
>>>>>>>>>>> * transaction
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think applications are really usable yet and I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> looked at JPA yet, so can't tell about it.
>>>>>>>>>>> The transaction component is functional and we've been using it
>>>>>>>>>>> mostly
>>>>>>>>>>> unchanged since a long time in ServiceMix.
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any particular concerns with it ? (I'm not talking
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> declarative transactions for blueprint, note).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 04:19, Joe Bohn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the response (even while on vacation!) ... and for
>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be the release manager.  Your response helps me get a better
>>>>>>>>>>>> picture
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the plans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was really just interested in the general objectives and timing
>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> hadn't been discussed yet.  To get the release out in Feb means
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> delivered next week.  I'm afraid the hill might be a little too
>>>>>>>>>>>> steep to
>>>>>>>>>>>> climb that quickly but I'm happy to be proven wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The more communication the better.  It's important to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> everybody
>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>> and planning along the same lines (or understand quickly if there
>>>>>>>>>>>> are any
>>>>>>>>>>>> differences of opinion).  Knowing that you are thinking of
>>>>>>>>>>>> creating
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> release candidate next week means that we should be getting more
>>>>>>>>>>>> restrictive
>>>>>>>>>>>> on new content to avoid any unpleasant surprises.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have any strong opinions on what should be in or out -
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> general it doesn't make sense to release things that aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> functional.
>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>> the moment I'm not sure what those are - but I suspect not all of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> components are fully functional yet (for example transaction).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Hughes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, sorry I started setting myself up tuesday but am now out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vacation until monday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think the 0.1 release should serve to get what we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now in the respectable form the ASF requires. So 'must
>>>>>>>>>>>>> haves'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are to get the build in the right shape to create the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution
>>>>>>>>>>>>> files that are acceptable to the IPMC. I think each main area of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> code deserves at least a README to describe what's possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is the first release there are likely a few unknowns -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> w.r.t
>>>>>>>>>>>>> timing I hope/expect to get the release out this in feb. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular JIRAs or other issues you feel should be included
>>>>>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say. I'd like to rename the current JIRA version 1.0 to 0.1 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> target
>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues for 0.1 appropriately and issues not for 0.1 to target a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2 version. WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 February 2010 15:39, Joe Bohn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are your current thoughts and goals regarding the release
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> target dates?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it would be good if you could summarize your thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps on a page in the wiki that we can keep updated as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of particular interest would be the content that we would like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first release (clarifying what we consider "must have" from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "nice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have"), the current status of that content, target dates for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the process that we plan to use to generate the release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Hughes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 February 2010 09:39, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great, thanks a lot.  Let us know if you need any help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess if you take some notes, it would be interesting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the wiki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly will. It's been a while since I did one and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed quite a bit :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:32, Jeremy Hughes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kevan, thanks. I volunteer to be release manager.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11 February 2010 16:38, Kevan Miller
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like the consensus is for a release with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version number. Best to start with a simple versioning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scheme,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I don't view a 0.1 blueprint release as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Showing the ability to generate an Apache release is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the community. Would definitely like to see this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll need a release manager. Any volunteers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --kevan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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