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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
Trustees (John Curran)
2. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
Trustees (William Herrin)
3. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
Trustees (John Comfort)
4. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
Trustees (John Curran)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 21:16:33 +0000
From: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>
To: Mel Stotyn <mel.sto...@sjrb.ca>
Cc: "<arin-consult@arin.net>" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
ARIN Board of Trustees
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On 6 Apr 2018, at 4:52 PM, Mel Stotyn
<mel.sto...@sjrb.ca<mailto:mel.sto...@sjrb.ca>> wrote:
John Curran said:
> ARIN (along with the other RIRs) is inevitably involved in setting the
> strategic direction for the evolution of the Internet Number registry system.
This example of why a larger and (hopefully) more diverse board would be
helpful seems to me an odd example. ?ARIN (along with the other RIRs)? results
in a larger group with more diverse experience and certainly geographically
diverse outlooks. A few more on one of the geographic participants doesn?t seem
to be necessary in this case.
Mel -
Excellent point - while the RIRs collectively set the Internet number
registry system direction, that?s actually the outcome of the individual RIR
processes.
Our coordination with the other RIRs is primarily operational activities
based on the NRO and ASO MOU?s that we have in place ? our strategic alignment
occurs because each community sets a similar direction as developed via its own
RIR processes, or as the result of public processes that we set up for a
specific purpose (such as the IANA Stewardship Transition plan development.)
There?s good anti-trust reasons that each RIR must set its own direction, and
additionally we routinely face topics that must be considered in confidence but
principally affect only the ARIN-region community (such as the NANOG formation
example.) This combination of factors limits our ability to utilize other RIR
Boards when weighing ARIN decisions about strategic matters.
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 17:19:00 -0400
From: William Herrin <b...@herrin.us>
To: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>
Cc: John Comfort <j...@comfortconsulting.com>,
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Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
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On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:59 PM, John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
> For example, when the NANOG community was maturing and the concept of having
> a formal NANOG organization was raised, the ARIN Board had to discuss
> various options, such as supporting the initiative (which was the ultimate
> decision including initial organizational and financial support), but the
> options discussed also included possible directions that could have
> adversely impacted the initiative simply by being brought before the entire
> ARIN community. While we had a Board which had sufficient breadth of
> knowledge to consider the options in confidence, that was not assure to be
> the case given its relatively modest size.
Respectfully, this is a perfect example of mission creep. ARIN was
long ago asked to coordinate meetings with NANOG for the convenience
of folks who wish to attend both. Greater interaction exceeded ARIN's
mission scope. There was no call for the ARIN board to debate anything
at all about whether NANOG decided to move out from under MERIT.
Far from offering a bulwark, more board members would offer idle hands
to exacerbate this problem.
Regards.
Bill Herrin
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William Herrin ................ her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us
Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 14:26:19 -0700
From: John Comfort <j...@comfortconsulting.com>
To: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>
Cc: Mel Stotyn <mel.sto...@sjrb.ca>, "<arin-consult@arin.net>"
<arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
ARIN Board of Trustees
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Thank you John Curran for the explanation.
To recap then, the consideration to increase the size of the board was
initiated by a need to expand the "breath of knowledge" in matters
discussed within the board meetings, correct?
I ask this question because I want to make sure we are clear on our
objectives and motives. You have my support if "breadth of knowledge" is
the reason for this consultation. I do not support this initiative if it
involves cherry-picking a race or gender to align with politically
motivated agendas.
Thank you again,
John
On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 2:16 PM, John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
> On 6 Apr 2018, at 4:52 PM, Mel Stotyn <mel.sto...@sjrb.ca> wrote:
>
>
> John Curran said:
> > ARIN (along with the other RIRs) is inevitably involved in setting the
> strategic direction for the evolution of the Internet Number registry
> system.
>
> This example of why a larger and (hopefully) more diverse board would be
> helpful seems to me an odd example. ?ARIN (along with the other RIRs)?
> results in a larger group with more diverse experience and certainly
> geographically diverse outlooks. A few more on one of the geographic
> participants doesn?t seem to be necessary in this case.
>
>
> Mel -
>
> Excellent point - while the RIRs collectively set the Internet number
> registry system direction, that?s actually the outcome of the individual
> RIR processes.
>
> Our coordination with the other RIRs is primarily operational activities
> based on the NRO and ASO MOU?s that we have in place ? our strategic
> alignment occurs because each community sets a similar direction as
> developed via its own RIR processes, or as the result of public processes
> that we set up for a specific purpose (such as the IANA Stewardship
> Transition plan development.)
>
> There?s good anti-trust reasons that each RIR must set its own
> direction, and additionally we routinely face topics that must be
> considered in confidence but principally affect only the ARIN-region
> community (such as the NANOG formation example.) This combination of
> factors limits our ability to utilize other RIR Boards when weighing ARIN
> decisions about strategic matters.
>
> Thanks!
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 21:28:43 +0000
From: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>
To: BIll Herrin <b...@herrin.us>
Cc: "<arin-consult@arin.net>" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
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On 6 Apr 2018, at 5:19 PM, William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:59 PM, John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
>> For example, when the NANOG community was maturing and the concept of having
>> a formal NANOG organization was raised, the ARIN Board had to discuss
>> various options, such as supporting the initiative (which was the ultimate
>> decision including initial organizational and financial support), but the
>> options discussed also included possible directions that could have
>> adversely impacted the initiative simply by being brought before the entire
>> ARIN community. While we had a Board which had sufficient breadth of
>> knowledge to consider the options in confidence, that was not assure to be
>> the case given its relatively modest size.
>
> Respectfully, this is a perfect example of mission creep. ARIN was
> long ago asked to coordinate meetings with NANOG for the convenience
> of folks who wish to attend both. Greater interaction exceeded ARIN's
> mission scope.
I disagree: it was quite important for ARIN to consider whether aid the
transition, such lending NANOG the initial funds it needed for operation,
agreeing to be its hotel contractor for first few meetings (as the new
organization lacked credit history), etc. Even making a decision _not_ to
provide such support would have equally required confidential Board discussion,
so it would appear that the breadth of the Board is important regardless of
your view of the right outcome.
> There was no call for the ARIN board to debate anything
> at all about whether NANOG decided to move out from under MERIT.
See above.
> Far from offering a bulwark, more board members would offer idle hands
> to exacerbate this problem.
I?m unaware of how more Board members would automatically create more Board
activities at ARIN; there?s very little considered by the ARIN Board that isn't
initiated from myself, the Board Chair, or the members (e.g. via the
consultation/suggestion process)
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
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