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1. Re: Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable Voting
for ARIN Elections (Paul Andersen)
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 16:55:15 +0000
From: Paul Andersen <[email protected]>
To: Owen DeLong <[email protected]>, "Azinger, Marla"
<[email protected]>, "[email protected]"
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Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single
Transferrable Voting for ARIN Elections
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There are some good arguments on both sides; however, I see a pragmatic problem
of enforcement. We?re talking 28 countries and in the US/Canada alone you have
60+ jurisdictions all with various employer/contractor law. This is before we
start digging into corporate structures where the current voter is employed by
Entity A but is the DMR or whole owned subsidy Entity B and the DMR of a
partner company where their employer has a minority stake, etc etc.
And how do we flag these? Do we dig into the relationship of every voter to the
entity?
I think pragmatically putting restrictions who a member organization can
designate could be a large overhead on ARIN.
-p
On Jan 21, 2022, at 7:54 PM, Owen DeLong via ARIN-consult
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I will disagree strongly here.
I have, at various times, been the Voting DMR (or whatever it was called at the
time) for as many as 5 organizations. All were clients at the time. (The total
is well over 5, but the max at one time was 5).
Most of the time, most of the clients instructed me as ?use your best judgment,
you are more familiar with the parties in question.?. Occasionally, a client
would ask for a summary of my views on the candidates and then instruct me how
they wanted me to vote.
In all cases, I absolutely voted in the best interest of each client (unless
voting according to their specific instructions) with their vote. Most of the
time this did not require any split voting. On a few occasions, it did.
Even though I?m not currently voting on behalf of any ARIN members other than
myself, I would oppose any effort to eliminate the possibility of contractors
voting on behalf of their clients if authorized to do so by said client.
Owen
On Jan 10, 2022, at 13:01 , Azinger, Marla
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If ARIN is looking for people that actually want to be involved to cast the
voting and really care, the votes would best be cast by anything other than a
proxy.
I find proxy voters don?t always care what the desire of the company is and
there is no validation being done they casted votes how the owner of the vote
would actually want.
I?m not a fan of proxy this day in age. Proxy to me is a throw back to before
online voting occurred. There?s no reason a company cant vote on their own.
Marla Azinger | SPVR, IP Management
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From: Adam Thompson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 12:02 PM
To: Azinger, Marla <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>;
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>;
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
Voting for ARIN Elections
Not sure that?s low-hanging fruit, tbh. Besides MERLIN, I still have voting
rights for ? 3? local ISPs, who are all aware of that and OK with that. In any
other arena, that?s just holding a proxy vote, which is not a big deal.
What sort of problems have you seen in this area (that I obviously haven?t)?
-Adam
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 1:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
Voting for ARIN Elections
All of this is gaming no matter how you slice it.
Silly me. I looked at the title and thought efforts were under way to stop one
person from casting votes for companies they don?t actually work for but I
didn?t read that in the write up. I would have thought we?d start there? if
anything needs modification?
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<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf
Of Andrew Dul
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 11:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
Voting for ARIN Elections
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Perhaps a simple question, but "how" will the current board insure that future
board(s) do not capriciously change the election mechanisms in the future?
Making the changes to the "election process" subject to a majority vote of the
membership and having that right inserted into the bylaws might be one method...
Thanks,
Andrew
On 1/7/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Harrison wrote:
Adam,
As stated before, it is the Board's fiduciary responsibility to ensure that a
change of this magnitude is equitable and not vulnerable to capricious change.
We will act appropriately based on this feedback.
Peter
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:03 AM Adam Thompson
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Peter, I don?t have a problem with STV. I do have a problem with the board
having the latitude ? unfettered ? to keep changing voting systems without
further bylaw amendments. The type of voting structure, particularly when
deviating from the norm that?s baked into Virginia law, should then be baked
into the bylaws so that it can?t change in the middle of the night, perhaps
even during an election.
Do I trust the current board to not pull stuff like that? Yeah, probably, I
think... (In fact, can I even name the current board members? No. But that?s
a different problem.) Am I willing to blindly trust every future board that
might exist? Absolutely not. I?ve seen how boards can be co-opted,
infiltrated, and/or ?turned to the dark side? (so to speak) elsewhere.
As far as the consultation?s goal to determine whether STV is OK or not? Yes,
it is good. This is an excellent move overall.
-Adam
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From: ARIN-consult
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf
Of Peter Harrison
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 11:53 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
Voting for ARIN Elections
Dear Community,
With STV there are many ways to re-allocate votes, and new ones may be
invented. The videos presented previously illustrated one method.
This link explains some of the options:
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We will need to balance the range of options with those provided by current and
future vendors of ARIN?s voting systems. Investigations are being made by staff
and they will make recommendations to the board based on their research into
our needs, best practices, practicability, relative merit, legal implications
and systems availability.
The purpose of the consultation is to get a sense of whether this is a good
idea overall. The board will work hard to ensure that we are working in the
best interest of the members and the region they serve when evaluating the
choices presented.
As John explained, the bylaw modification was made to accommodate multiple
forms of voting that may be required in future. The concern that this could
lead to opportunistic changes to systems each election cycle is sound. We will
investigate ways to ensure this does not happen with possible bylaw wording to
meet these and other goals.
The Governance Working Group has worked very closely with both the executive
team and staff on this consultation. Their support for a workable solution and
concern for the membership has been evident every step of the way. These
consultations are the result of over two years of research and were not taken
lightly. We will continue to work to maintain this excellent collaboration.
Thank you for your feedback.
Peter
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