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1. Re: Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable Voting
for ARIN Elections (Owen DeLong)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 16:54:17 -0800
From: Owen DeLong <[email protected]>
To: "Azinger, Marla" <[email protected]>
Cc: Adam Thompson <[email protected]>, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single
Transferrable Voting for ARIN Elections
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I will disagree strongly here.
I have, at various times, been the Voting DMR (or whatever it was called at the
time) for as many as 5 organizations. All were clients at the time. (The total
is well over 5, but the max at one time was 5).
Most of the time, most of the clients instructed me as ?use your best judgment,
you are more familiar with the parties in question.?. Occasionally, a client
would ask for a summary of my views on the candidates and then instruct me how
they wanted me to vote.
In all cases, I absolutely voted in the best interest of each client (unless
voting according to their specific instructions) with their vote. Most of the
time this did not require any split voting. On a few occasions, it did.
Even though I?m not currently voting on behalf of any ARIN members other than
myself, I would oppose any effort to eliminate the possibility of contractors
voting on behalf of their clients if authorized to do so by said client.
Owen
> On Jan 10, 2022, at 13:01 , Azinger, Marla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> If ARIN is looking for people that actually want to be involved to cast the
> voting and really care, the votes would best be cast by anything other than a
> proxy.
>
> I find proxy voters don?t always care what the desire of the company is and
> there is no validation being done they casted votes how the owner of the vote
> would actually want.
>
> I?m not a fan of proxy this day in age. Proxy to me is a throw back to
> before online voting occurred. There?s no reason a company cant vote on their
> own.
>
>
> Marla Azinger | SPVR, IP Management
> O 585-413-9128 | [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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>
> From: Adam Thompson <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 12:02 PM
> To: Azinger, Marla <[email protected]>; [email protected];
> [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
> Voting for ARIN Elections
>
> Not sure that?s low-hanging fruit, tbh. Besides MERLIN, I still have voting
> rights for ? 3? local ISPs, who are all aware of that and OK with that. In
> any other arena, that?s just holding a proxy vote, which is not a big deal.
> What sort of problems have you seen in this area (that I obviously haven?t)?
> -Adam
>
> Adam Thompson
> Consultant, Infrastructure Services
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> (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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> From: ARIN-consult <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Azinger, Marla
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 1:53 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
> Voting for ARIN Elections
>
> All of this is gaming no matter how you slice it.
>
> Silly me. I looked at the title and thought efforts were under way to stop
> one person from casting votes for companies they don?t actually work for but
> I didn?t read that in the write up. I would have thought we?d start there?
> if anything needs modification?
>
> Marla Azinger | SPVR, IP Management
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>
>
> From: ARIN-consult <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Andrew Dul
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 11:40 AM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
> Voting for ARIN Elections
>
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>
> Perhaps a simple question, but "how" will the current board insure that
> future board(s) do not capriciously change the election mechanisms in the
> future?
>
> Making the changes to the "election process" subject to a majority vote of
> the membership and having that right inserted into the bylaws might be one
> method...
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
> On 1/7/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Harrison wrote:
> Adam,
>
> As stated before, it is the Board's fiduciary responsibility to ensure that a
> change of this magnitude is equitable and not vulnerable to capricious
> change. We will act appropriately based on this feedback.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:03 AM Adam Thompson <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Peter, I don?t have a problem with STV. I do have a problem with the board
> having the latitude ? unfettered ? to keep changing voting systems without
> further bylaw amendments. The type of voting structure, particularly when
> deviating from the norm that?s baked into Virginia law, should then be baked
> into the bylaws so that it can?t change in the middle of the night, perhaps
> even during an election.
>
> Do I trust the current board to not pull stuff like that? Yeah, probably, I
> think... (In fact, can I even name the current board members? No. But
> that?s a different problem.) Am I willing to blindly trust every future
> board that might exist? Absolutely not. I?ve seen how boards can be
> co-opted, infiltrated, and/or ?turned to the dark side? (so to speak)
> elsewhere.
>
> As far as the consultation?s goal to determine whether STV is OK or not?
> Yes, it is good. This is an excellent move overall.
>
> -Adam
>
> Adam Thompson
> Consultant, Infrastructure Services
> <image005.png>
> 100 - 135 Innovation Drive
> Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
> (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> www.merlin.mb.ca
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>
> From: ARIN-consult <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Peter Harrison
> Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 11:53 AM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
> Voting for ARIN Elections
>
> Dear Community,
>
> With STV there are many ways to re-allocate votes, and new ones may be
> invented. The videos presented previously illustrated one method.
>
> This link explains some of the options:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting#Comparison_of_ranked_voting_methods
>
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>
> We will need to balance the range of options with those provided by current
> and future vendors of ARIN?s voting systems. Investigations are being made by
> staff and they will make recommendations to the board based on their research
> into our needs, best practices, practicability, relative merit, legal
> implications and systems availability.
>
> The purpose of the consultation is to get a sense of whether this is a good
> idea overall. The board will work hard to ensure that we are working in the
> best interest of the members and the region they serve when evaluating the
> choices presented.
>
> As John explained, the bylaw modification was made to accommodate multiple
> forms of voting that may be required in future. The concern that this could
> lead to opportunistic changes to systems each election cycle is sound. We
> will investigate ways to ensure this does not happen with possible bylaw
> wording to meet these and other goals.
>
> The Governance Working Group has worked very closely with both the executive
> team and staff on this consultation. Their support for a workable solution
> and concern for the membership has been evident every step of the way. These
> consultations are the result of over two years of research and were not taken
> lightly. We will continue to work to maintain this excellent collaboration.
>
> Thank you for your feedback.
>
> Peter
>
>
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