On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, William Herrin wrote:

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Brandon Ross <[email protected]> wrote:

How is this a problem unique to the non-needs based, small transfer
proposal?  Doesn't this exact problem still exist when you do a needs
assessment?

Nope. With a needs assessment in place, we have no cause to care what
scope the organization uses to define itself. Only activity within
that scope can be used to justify need. Reporting the same instance of
need under multiple organizations is fraud.

Please explain how it is not fraud to create a bunch of shell companies under your control to accept multiple transfers of IPv4 space to exceed the /12 (or whatever size) cap, especially if, as has been suggested by others, there must be an attestation to this fact by management of the entity?

It seems to me that weather you use shell companies to make it look like you comply with a needs assessment or if you use them to avoid a cap, either way it's fraud and either way ARIN would have (or not have) the same tools to detect that behavior.

If the shell's use is justified in and of itself, what difference does
it make that the shell holds the addresses instead of the parent?

None.  Did I argue that somewhere?

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