On Nov 22, 2013, at 11:25 AM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11/22/13, 08:50 , Brandon Ross wrote: >> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Jo Rhett wrote: >> >>> I'd like to see some actual documented issues with this. Almost >>> everyone I know is sitting on large amounts of smaller blocks they can >>> easily allocate to people. It's the larger (/21 or greater) blocks >>> which are becoming scarce. >> >> What kind of documentation are you looking for? > > I would think an a copy of an email or a letter from the upstream which > confirms the upstream can't/won’t provide them address space, for some reason > other than they don't think the customer justifies additional address space. >
David, I think that would be fine documentation to submit to ARIN under my proposal, but I don’t think it addresses what Jo was asking for. I believe Jo is asking to see documentation that this is an actual problem that needs solving. > It is unfair for ARIN to withhold address space because the upstream has > address space but won't provide it to the requester for what ever reason. I > think it is reasonable to require some confirming documentation that the > upstream is not providing address space. You can't just "say" your ISP is > not providing it. > > However, if an ISP is saying you don’t justify additional address space, then > you shouldn’t qualify for address space from ARIN under an exception like > this. > Agreed… > Also, ARIN should be able to refuse if they feel there is collusion between > an ISP and a requester. This is trickier. incorporating how ARIN feels into policy is an interesting concept. Not one I am particularly comfortable with, and, in my experience, neither is ARIN staff. I will, however, say that the collusion I think you are talking about would basically qualify as fraud and that I believe there is already sufficient policy to deal with situations where ARIN staff suspects that a request is fraudulent. Owen _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
