I have several single-homed clients who are in the position of having a /23 or /22 from an upstream, and needing additional space. They are refused.
They have a justified need, and are established networks, but ARIN policy prevents them from getting their own space because they don't already have a /20. At this point in the game the requirement of having space before you can get space seems a little ridiculous, particularly at the current minimums. If they were able to get their own space, they could hand back most or all of the upstream space, thus providing a benefit to them as well. I am very in favor of moving the minimums to /22 for single-homed at least. I would also be in favor of only requiring an upstream allocation of a /24, so long as the ISP can show justified need for a full /22. For multi-homed, I would be fine with either /23 or /24. thanks, -Randy ----- Original Message ----- > David, > > There are going to be lots of reasons why an ISP can't provide space to a > downstream post run out, even when on paper they have space. > > 1) Space dedicated to another region > 2) Cost Prohibitive for downstream due to cost recovery. > 3) Forward looking project that fits within the 24 month window. > > I can see the conversation now. > > Downstream: I need a /24 of IP space > Upstream: NO > Downstream: Ok, I'm telling on you. > Upstream: We didn't sign the contract, find someone else to provide service. > > In a primary market there are going to be "others". In a secondary market you > will be out of luck. > > We can't wrap this policy in a complicated beat stick. If a company has a > need for an initial allocation > They are going to have to go to the transfer market. We should be able to > give them the initial allocation without adding complexity. > > Thanks, > > Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of David Farmer > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:26 PM > To: Brandon Ross; Jo Rhett > Cc: ARIN-PPML List > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 exhaustion > > On 11/22/13, 08:50 , Brandon Ross wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Jo Rhett wrote: > > > >> I'd like to see some actual documented issues with this. Almost > >> everyone I know is sitting on large amounts of smaller blocks they > >> can easily allocate to people. It's the larger (/21 or greater) > >> blocks which are becoming scarce. > > > > What kind of documentation are you looking for? > > I would think an a copy of an email or a letter from the upstream which > confirms the upstream can't/won't provide them address space, for some > reason other than they don't think the customer justifies additional address > space. > > It is unfair for ARIN to withhold address space because the upstream has > address space but won't provide it to the requester for what ever reason. I > think it is reasonable to require some confirming documentation that the > upstream is not providing address space. You can't just "say" your ISP is > not providing it. > > However, if an ISP is saying you don't justify additional address space, then > you shouldn't qualify for address space from ARIN under an exception like > this. > > Also, ARIN should be able to refuse if they feel there is collusion between > an ISP and a requester. > > Thanks. > -- > ================================================ > David Farmer Email: [email protected] > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 > ================================================ > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public > Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
