Hi David, There is problem here. the buyer who is interested in our first /16 want us to update ARIN whois records before we sell it to the buyer. we have brought the company X and this is the reason why we ask ARIN if ARIN could do the 8.2 transfer first then followed by the 8.3 transfer next. I am afraid of providing too much confidential information to ARIN for such a 8.2 transfer and i am also afraid of the utilisation descriptions in the 8.2 policy.
Have you had any further advises? thanks, Niki On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:37 PM, xiaofan yang <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi David, > > thanks for your advise. > > Niki > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM, David Huberman < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> "Niki", >> >> >> >> I'm confused by the questions, because the answers seem obvious, don't >> they? >> >> >> >> Did you buy a company that has two /16s? Just keep company X operating >> as company X! Find a buyer for one /16, and have the company you bought - >> company X - do an 8.3 transfer to the buyer. It's not relevant to the >> process that your main company bought company X - it just adds unnecessary >> complexity to the ARIN process. Then find a second buyer for a second /16 >> and repeat. >> >> >> >> I guess it's possible it's too late - that company X is already closed >> and all of its assets are legally owned by your main company. If that >> happened to me, then I would just find a buyer who wants the first >> /16. Then I'd submit an 8.3 transfer to sell it to them. During the 8.3 >> transfer, ARIN will ask you for documentation that shows you own the >> company X that has the Whois registrations today. You show them the legal >> documentation, then you move on to the 8.3 part of the transfer. I'm not >> sure why you're worried about ARIN taking back the second /16 which isn't >> sold yet. RSA paragraph 6 says they can't do that. >> >> >> >> N.B. I am not your lawyer, and I am not providing you with legal advice. >> I am not providing you advice on behalf of my employer, and I do not speak >> for my employer. >> >> >> >> /david >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on >> behalf of xiaofan yang <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Friday, April 4, 2014 7:19 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Cc:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 >> >> Hi Kevin, >> >> I am quite confused by John's explanation too. >> It seems ARIN always provides plenty of information meaning nothing. >> Same happens to ask HM, HM will always reply neutrally and I still >> cannot know it is yes or no! >> >> However, in basis of john's reply i will rephrase his explanation as >> the following meaning: >> >> I will try my best to transfer the two /16 to third party via 8.3/8.4 >> transfer immediately after a 8.2 transfer instead of reserving one /16 for >> another future sale in case of the other /16 to return to ARIN free pool or >> rejecting for our second /16 transfer in future. >> >> Niki >> >> >> >> *Hi John,* >> >> *In basis of your reply, if the block is underutilised,ARIN will either >> ask the company to return the IPs or transfer to other third party via 8.3 >> transfer after our 8.2 transfer.* >> >> *Correct.* >> >> *Say we have two /16 after this 8.2 transfer, what if we only transfer >> one /16 to the other third party via 8.3 transfer, meanwhile, we keep the >> other /16 left unused after our 8.2 transfer for quiet a while. Will ARIN >> ask us to return the remained /16 to the free pool? furthmore, how long >> will ARIN allow us to keep the other /16 unused before we transfer it to >> the third party via 8.3 transfer ?* >> >> *Niki -* >> >> *ARIN will continue to work with you as needed, so long as you are >> still working* >> *in good faith towards compliance with policy. For more information on >> your* >> *particular circumstances, please contact <[email protected] >> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>>.* >> >> *Thanks!* >> */John* >> >> *John Curran* >> *President and CEO* >> *ARIN* >> >> >
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