Hi Milton,
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Milton L Mueller <[email protected]> wrote: > > This debate has descended into rather nasty and unconstructive name calling. > So if I am not mistaken with the attribution here, we have Woodcock calling > Huberman 'idiotic,' a devotee of Ayn Rand (how did she get in here?), the > moral equivalent of a slave trader, and a self-indulgent non-adult. > > May I ask that this stop? > > Bill, the entire community has already recognized the legitimacy of markets > for IPv4 numbers. Transfer markets are institutionalized and have been for 4 > years. So any argument that is based on comparing it to the slave/drug trade > is gone. > > All we are debating is the presence or absence of needs assessment as a > gatekeeping function for that market. > This is a fairly administrative and technical argument, not a moral one. > Efficiency is the key criterion (not fairness, really). > If you support needs assessments you have to make a case that the costs and > burdens associated with it are justified by quantifiable benefits. Is it the case that those support the status quo need to make a case to keep the status quo, or is it the case that those who seek change need to convince the rest of the community that those changes are justified? The latter has not been done IMHO. > In this case, inefficiency is unfairness: if the needs assessment process > prevents resources from going where they are wanted most, ummmm, of course a "needs" assessment will prevent "want" from being fulfilled. it won't prevent "need" from being fulfilled however, or at least, it should not. or if the cost burdens >associated with the process exceed the value of the numbers acquired for small operators, or if it is shown that large, established companies with well-> established relationships to ARIN can navigate the process more easily, then there are signs that needs assessment is unfair because of its inefficiencies. > > > You have to do a better job of explaining why it is "fair" to force a willing > seller and a willing buyer to submit to an additional step when that step > both limits the quantity of resources available for transfer and raises the > cost of participating in the market by a substantial degree. How much is a "substantial degree"? Is it like "how long is a piece of string?" -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
