Oops, seems I forgot to add the link https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_1.html
> -----Original Message----- > From: Milton L Mueller > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:28 PM > To: 'Jo Rhett'; 'Steven Ryerse' > Cc: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use > > Jo and Steven: > As the shepherd for 2014-1 I am having trouble understanding the > relevance of arguments about needs assessment to the Out of Region > Use proposal. That proposal does not change needs assessment > policies. > > Here is a link to the latest draft of 2014-1. Do you have any comments > specifically about 2014-1? > > --MM > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:arin-ppml- > [email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Jo Rhett > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:17 AM > > To: Steven Ryerse > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use > > > > On Oct 27, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse@eclipse- > > networks.com> wrote: > > > If in the spirit of trying to prevent fraud non-fraudulent requests > > > get > > rejected, then Arin's mission stops being fulfilled. I think it is > > important to make sure the mission is respected first and stopping > > fraud second or third or fifth or whatever. We could stop all fraud > > by stopping all allocations but of course that makes no sense. I > > would also point out that even when fraud happens Arin's Mission is > still being fulfilled. > > > > I completely disagree. There are dozens if not hundreds of people > with > > non-fraudulent requests who get denied for insufficient justification. > > That is ARIN doing their job successfully in my mind. If widespread > > fraud occurs and ARIN does not take action, then I feel strongly that > > ARIN would not be doing their job. > > > > > Of course maybe if the needs tests were loosened fraud would be > > significantly reduced as there would be no need to submit fraudulent > > requests. > > > > Do you mean that if it were permissible to walk away with someone > > else's belongings, then theft would no longer occur? Your statement > is > > true without making any sense at all. > > > > > I'm sure an org willing to submit a fraudulent request would tell > > > you > > that they do have a need but they may not happen to meet the > current > > arbitrary (and they are arbitrary) policy. > > > > I disagree completely. ARIN's role is to satisfy needs-based requests. > > Exercising judgement of whether a need is realistic is doing their job. > > > > The only thing arbitrary here is your desire for there to be no rules > > at all. Deeply amusing, but not helpful for realistic policy. > > > > -- > > Jo Rhett > > +1 (415) 999-1798 > > Skype: jorhett > > Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and > internet > > projects. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the > ARIN > > Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
