On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:35 PM, David Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > > John, > >>> all we're talking about is whether or not ARIN will be recording this in >>> their database. >> >> I’ll observe that the rights are to address blocks in the >> registry and that makes it rather challenging to assert any rights to the >> address blocks >> unless those rights were transferred in accordance with registry policy, > > An interesting and worrisome assertion. > > If organization A purchases a block of addresses from organization B _and is > able to convince their ISP(s) to route that block of addresses_, it would > seem the "rights" to that address block have been transferred from A to B, > regardless of ARIN's position on the matter (they aren't a party to the > transaction).
David -
Which rights do you refer to above? You’re implying a "right to have an
address block
routed”, but we know that parties make such decisions based on many
business criteria,
and registration status of an address block is only one factor.
> While I guess it is true that if you view the "rights" in question as the
> entry in the ARIN registration database (a very odd viewpoint IMHO -- very
> much the tail wagging the dog from my perspective), this seems a bit divorced
> from reality as reflected by the actual use of address space on the Internet.
If you believe that there is some "right to route” contained in the
Internet numbers registry,
then that’s a fairly fundamental shift in the nature of registry system,
and would represent
a serious change from our present loosely-coupled system where it is clear
that address
holders gain uniqueness from the Internet numbers registry, but that
doesn’t have direct
rights implication to what service providers decide to put (or not) in
their routing tables...
i.e. are you proposing changing this so that address block holders are
credited with some
specific rights that affect routing, and that ISPs agree to be bound by
same? I have a solid
understanding of how the Internet numbers registry system provides some
very useful
uniqueness properties for the Internet globally as-is, but obviously have
some trepidation
about these rights over the routing of ISPs that you believe the RIRs
should be tracking...
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
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