Well, this proposal scares me..
Similar to what is alluded to below, ARIN has a hard enough time getting
the ISP's to properly SWIP usage..
And allowing end users to SWIP might even set the stage for more abuse.
I could see spammers changing the SWIP daily to their advantage.. (oh,
that was a different guy) even if they had to pay.
We already have a 'rwhois' system that can be used to address the
problem suggested.. No reason why an ISP can't create a 'rwhois' system
for their customers
And yes, needs justification in this case, it would increase the ARIN
workload I believe..
I think ARIN just has to put more teeth into getting members to use
proper 'rwhois' first..
On 15-07-14 01:05 PM, Mike Burns wrote:
I wonder if SWIPped addresses would be a sufficient display of utilization, or would ARIN
need to investigate the SWIPped blocks more deeply to ensure utilization ratio of the
"parent" end-user, if that end-user comes to ARIN looking to buy addresses and
has to justify their purchase?
-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf
Of Bill Buhler
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 3:59 PM
To: arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4
End-Users
As a IPv4 end user I can understand why some would want this ability, but we
have no desire to do such. What if instead policy would allow end users to
either elect to be treated as a ISP, or pay a fee to have access to SWIP? This
would be similar to how voting rights are allocated now. BTW one right I would
love to have by default would be a vote without paying an additional fee, but
that is of course another topic.
Best regards,
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-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf
Of Andrew Dul
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 1:12 PM
To: Gary T. Giesen; 'Andrew Dul'; arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4
End-Users
The intention is to allow for end-users to be able to add reassignment records
to the database. As noted in the policy proposal, this idea has an impact of
the fee categories, because the ability to add reassignment records
traditionally has been one of the differences between ISPs and end-users.
I think we need to consider if the categories of IPv4 ISP and end-users have
any significance now that the IPv4 free pool has been exhausted.
I will let ARIN staff comment on the cost/workload aspects of this change idea.
The fees themselves are the purview of the board. Since this policy changes
the service levels that ARIN would provide to end-users one might expect that
the fee levels might change for organizations which choose to take advantage of
the additional functionality.
Andrew
On 7/14/2015 8:08 AM, Gary T. Giesen wrote:
Andrew,
Is it your intention to create a single class of users (ie. no more End-User vs
ISP), or maintain the distinction? I'd like to see end-users be able to SWIP,
but I'd don't want to see their costs increase because of it. Also, ISPs will
argue if end-users can SWIP (which is probably the biggest technical
distinction between the two right now ) and pay far less, they'll either argue
their fees should be lowered, the end users fees should be raised, or try to
game the system by applying as end-users.
Do we have any indication from ARIN staff as to what the implications in terms
of cost/workload would be if end-users would be allowed to SWIP? Again, if the
impact is minimal (ie no raising of end-user fees) and sufficient language was
put around who they could SWIP to (ie only organizations in which the parent
owns a controlling share, etc) then I would support this.
Cheers,
GTG
-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net]
On Behalf Of Andrew Dul
Sent: July 13, 2015 11:31 AM
To: arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for
IPv4 End- Users
The AC has been discussing the following ideas on their list and I
have drafted the following policy proposal as an outcome. We are
posting the ideas and proposal here to PPML for community discussion.
This draft has not been submitted formally to the PDP process at this
point. I believed having initial feedback from the community before
submitting would be a valuable addition before going into the formal process.
You comments are welcome.
Thanks,
Andrew
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Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0
1. Policy Proposal Name: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users
4. Problem Statement:
End-User Organizations do not have the ability to create reassignment
records in the number resource database.
Reassignment records can be used for a number of different functions
which could benefit the overall desire to increase database accuracy
by allowing organizations to add additional details in the database.
The following reasons have been noted as positive reasons to allow
the creation of additional records.
- Geolocation (allows an organization to specify a different location
within the database which is used by organizations creating
geo-location by IP address databases)
- Subsidiary reassignment (allows an organization to note that a
portion of their netblock is in use by a different subsidiary entity)
- Assignment to contracted parties (some organizations have contracts
with other organizations which are operating networks under
agreements with the registrant, this allows the top-level
organizations to accurately specify the organization operating the
network in the number resource
database)
- More specific contact information (some organizations operate large
networks which don’t necessarily have the same technical or abuse
contact
information)
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