The proposal was drafted based upon the desire expressed by organizations to add records for IPv4, one could easily assume that IPv6 records might also be desired. From my perspective, I thought it best to start with the IPv4 discussion as that was the known expressed problem by operators.
Andrew On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Gary T. Giesen wrote: > Andrew, > > As an aside, why make it only for IPv4 end users? Is there any reason not to > do it for v6 as well? > > GTG > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Dul [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: July 14, 2015 3:12 PM >> To: Gary T. Giesen; 'Andrew Dul'; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 >> End-Users >> >> The intention is to allow for end-users to be able to add reassignment >> records to the database. As noted in the policy proposal, this idea has an >> impact of the fee categories, because the ability to add reassignment records >> traditionally has been one of the differences between ISPs and end-users. >> >> I think we need to consider if the categories of IPv4 ISP and end-users have >> any significance now that the IPv4 free pool has been exhausted. >> >> I will let ARIN staff comment on the cost/workload aspects of this change >> idea. >> >> The fees themselves are the purview of the board. Since this policy changes >> the service levels that ARIN would provide to end-users one might expect >> that the fee levels might change for organizations which choose to take >> advantage of the additional functionality. >> >> Andrew >> >> On 7/14/2015 8:08 AM, Gary T. Giesen wrote: >>> Andrew, >>> >>> Is it your intention to create a single class of users (ie. no more >>> End-User vs >> ISP), or maintain the distinction? I'd like to see end-users be able to SWIP, >> but I'd don't want to see their costs increase because of it. Also, ISPs will >> argue if end-users can SWIP (which is probably the biggest technical >> distinction between the two right now ) and pay far less, they'll either >> argue >> their fees should be lowered, the end users fees should be raised, or try to >> game the system by applying as end-users. >>> Do we have any indication from ARIN staff as to what the implications in >> terms of cost/workload would be if end-users would be allowed to SWIP? >> Again, if the impact is minimal (ie no raising of end-user fees) and >> sufficient >> language was put around who they could SWIP to (ie only organizations in >> which the parent owns a controlling share, etc) then I would support this. >>> Cheers, >>> >>> GTG >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On Behalf Of Andrew Dul >>>> Sent: July 13, 2015 11:31 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for >>>> IPv4 End- Users >>>> >>>> The AC has been discussing the following ideas on their list and I >>>> have drafted the following policy proposal as an outcome. We are >>>> posting the ideas and proposal here to PPML for community discussion. >>>> This draft has not been submitted formally to the PDP process at this >>>> point. I believed having initial feedback from the community before >>>> submitting would be a valuable addition before going into the formal >> process. >>>> You comments are welcome. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== >>>> >>>> Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0 >>>> >>>> 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users >>>> >>>> 4. Problem Statement: >>>> >>>> End-User Organizations do not have the ability to create reassignment >>>> records in the number resource database. >>>> >>>> Reassignment records can be used for a number of different functions >>>> which could benefit the overall desire to increase database accuracy >>>> by allowing organizations to add additional details in the database. >>>> >>>> The following reasons have been noted as positive reasons to allow >>>> the creation of additional records. >>>> - Geolocation (allows an organization to specify a different location >>>> within the database which is used by organizations creating >>>> geo-location by IP address databases) >>>> - Subsidiary reassignment (allows an organization to note that a >>>> portion of their netblock is in use by a different subsidiary entity) >>>> - Assignment to contracted parties (some organizations have contracts >>>> with other organizations which are operating networks under >>>> agreements with the registrant, this allows the top-level >>>> organizations to accurately specify the organization operating the >>>> network in the number resource >>>> database) >>>> - More specific contact information (some organizations operate large >>>> networks which don’t necessarily have the same technical or abuse >>>> contact >>>> information) >>>> >>>> >>>> 5. Policy statement: >>>> >>>> Create new section 4.3.x >>>> >>>> End-user organizations which have an active registration services >>>> agreement shall be permitted to create reassignment records in the >>>> number resource database. Organizations shall use the guidelines >>>> outlined in section 4.2.3 when creating reassignment records. >>>> >>>> 6. Comments: >>>> a. Timetable for implementation: immediately >>>> b. Anything else: >>>> >>>> It is noted by the author of this policy proposal that one of the >>>> distinctions in the service between ISPs and End-Users has been the >>>> ability for an organization to create reassignment records. >>>> >>>> This policy proposal stretches across responsibilities areas as it >>>> impacts number policy, ARIN operational practice, and fees. >>>> >>>> Below we have noted the three areas and the different responsibilities: >>>> >>>> >>>> A) Providing reassignment support for end-user assignments, for those >>>> who wish to use it >>>> >>>> This is an ARIN Service issue - could be an suggestion/consultation >>>> process, so long as any implied additional workload/cost can be >>>> accommodated in budget and the community supports >>>> >>>> B) New requirement on end-users to provide reassignment information >>>> in certain circumstances so that ARIN will treat their usage >>>> assertion credibly >>>> >>>> This is a policy issue. These requirements should be vetted through >>>> the policy development process. >>>> >>>> C) Fee Implications of ISPs moving to end-user category >>>> >>>> This is Board issue, but first requires a community discussion or >>>> consultation to be held to solicit community input on desired outcome. >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PPML >>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN >>>> Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>>> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). 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