John, 1) how many 8.3 transfers have been approved as of 30 April 2016?
2) of those, how many were reviewed and verified with the explicit requirement that 25% of the requested space to be transferred-in would be used immediately? David > On May 12, 2016, at 4:11 PM, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On May 12, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Jason Schiller <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am surprised that staff would not apply the 30 day need (albeit extended >> to 60 day need) for end-sites requesting a transfer. >> >> My understanding is that 8.3 references "demonstrating need" "under current >> policies" albeit extended to 24 months (double an ARIN assignment). >> >> Current policy 4.3.3 defines meeting 25% utilization immediately (30 days) >> and 50% within 1 year. >> Extended this doubles the values. >> >> This is also seems to be consistent with what I heard at the meeting: >> >> "Kevin Blumberg: The question was, to clarify for everybody, when it comes >> -- this policy is in reference to free pool space. When you take into >> account that almost every request will now be based on transfer via 8.3 or >> 8.4, which has a 24-month, can you explain how staff calculates in transfers >> versus what -- when somebody is just reading and saying 25 percent over 30 >> days, how does that now work with a 24-month transfer? >> >> John Curran: It still requires them to use 25 percent of the block being >> transferred. Now, this is the unfortunate circumstance of having transfer >> policies which chained to needs assessment which come from allocation and >> assignment policies in elsewhere in the NRPM. >> >> When the AC has some free time, if it would like to unwind those, that would >> be greatly appreciated." >> >> I trust ARIN is very good at finding fraud and abuse, however I think this >> change makes fraud and abuse (or as Owen put it simply having dreams of >> grandeur [note this was wrt 2015-9 but it applies equally here].) makes it >> much harder to catch as per Jonh's comments when discussing this policy. >> >> "John Curran: We can go back on the present policy and confirm that someone >> has done the utilization that they claim they do, but it's much more >> difficult to know whether or not someone has made a fraudulent request if we >> don't check shortly after we've assigned to them. >> >> In other words, someone will find address space utilization within a year >> one way or the other. But whether or not they're valid for what we assigned >> is much easier to determine if they've made use of it within the first 30 >> days, or 30 days, 60 days, the immediate future." >> >> Can staff comment do you apply the 25% need in 60 days to specified >> transfers? Or is this ignored and obsolete? > > Jason - > > ARIN does not, by default, go back to the organization afterwards and > confirm that > they have met the 25% utilization requirement, but organizations must > conform to > policy and thus it remains a valid criteria if we should review a request > later (e.g. > as a a result of a fraud report.) > > Thanks, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > > _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
