Susan, At the moment there are 7 messages sent by list members in my inbox (by Brett, Scott, Jason, Kirubel and Josh). All are copied to [email protected] and I received them.
If my messages were posted to ppml for all on the list to see, as you wrote, why did not I receive in my mail if all the messages posted by the members I receive? My two messages were sent with copy to [email protected] and, as a member of the list, I did not receive them in my mail inbox. I'm not referring to messages sent to [email protected]. I'm referring to the messages I've created that should be sent to members via [email protected]. I am a member of RIPE's anti-abuse-wg. When I send a message to group members, via [email protected], the [email protected] resends messages to [email protected] and all Members receive the message including the author of the message. In ARIN, if my messages were being posted to members it would be via [email protected] and I would be receiving my message as well. Since I do not get the messages I send, it's because they are not being posted. Being archived, means nothing. If I am persona non grata, you must have the decency to warn, so I will not waste time. Staying in or out of your list to me is absolutely indifferent, just do not waste my time. I'll ask you again: Why are not my messages being posted to list members? Thanks Marilson From: Susan Hamlin Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:19 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Wendy Leedy Subject: FW: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC Hello Marilson, I asked our Operations staff to look into our email log to see if they could find any issues. According to our logs, “we sent [email protected] copies of the messages he/she sent. The Gmail servers accepted the messages from us. What Gmail did with it after that is beyond our ability to see.” I am subscribed to ppml and did receive your email. Your messages were posted to ppml for all on the list to see and they also appear in the archives, meaning that they were received on the list so that all subscribers saw them. At this point I don’t think there is anything else we can do on our end. Perhaps it is worth checking on your end to see if the message back to you was hung up in some manner. Regards, Susan Susan Hamlin Director, Communications and Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) Office – 1.703.227.9851 Mobile – 1.703.930.6094 www.arin.net -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 18:18:01 -0300 From: Marilson mailto:[email protected] Reply-To: Marilson mailto:[email protected] To: ARIN mailto:[email protected] Are you kidding? You dont answer my question: Why are not my comments being posted to arin-ppml? I don't receive what I send for arin-ppml. I am not writing to files. I'm writing to list members. I did not know there were censors in this organization. My condolences! But I confess I'm not surprised. I would be surprised if there were no sensors. I mean, if I put a topic for discussion or ask a question, it goes to the file, and the idiot here stay waiting for comments that will never come? Is that it? There is a censor who decides what can be discussed in this list? Have at least the decency to give an honest answer so I do not waste any more time. Thanks Marilson From: ARIN Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 2:33 PM To: Marilson Subject: Re: Fw: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC Dear Marilson, Thank you for your email and inquiry. Your post appears in the archives at http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2017-April/031368.html. If you have additional questions, or if I may be of further assistance, please feel free to contact me. Thank you for your involvement in and support of ARIN! Best regards, Wendy Wendy Leedy Member Engagement Coordinator American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) On 4/16/17 5:10 AM, Marilson wrote: Why are not my comments being posted to arin-ppml? I don't receive what I send for arin-ppml. Marilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Marilson Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 5:42 PM To: Bartlett Morgan ; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC Hi Morgan, To my novice eyes, but tired and disappointed, I find it rather appropriate that the entity responsible for the management and allocation of IP address blocks adopt punitive measures against those who interfere in the free internet or in the inappropriate use of those services. Who decides? The evidence. And the Internet community seems to be the only one capable of putting punitive measures into practice. No matter who we are or what we do, commitment to democracy should always be part of our activities. The owners of these resources is the population of the planet. RIRs manage these resources on behalf of this population and should effectively manage without omitting and transferring that responsibility to governments or to their ISP customers. I say this because, just as there are autocratic governments, there are bad ISPs who arrogantly refuse to punish clients with illicit activities even in the face of evidence. And in the face of these bad providers, governments, without exception, turn a blind eye. They are more concerned about employment within their territory even at the expense of the population being the victim of spammers and scammers. This situation explains and does not justify the 420 billion spam and scam per day (Cisco). Never so few done so much harm to so many. No more shutdowns. No more denying access to information and knowledge. No more bad ISPs. Even with Trump! Marilson From: Bartlett Morgan Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:12 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC Doesn't seem like the most workable policy to my novice eyes. Is it really a good idea to convert RIRs into the internet police? if we think it is a good idea, who decides what's a proper case for implementation? On Apr 14, 2017 8:48 AM, "Alfredo Calderon" <[email protected]> wrote: The discussion is very interesting and, could have consequences in ARIN if reciprocity policies are adopted among RIR? Error! Filename not specified. Alfredo Calderon eLearning Consultant [email protected] | http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com | Skype: Alfredo_1212 | wiseintro.co/alfredocalderon Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Get a signature like this: Click here! On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Cj Aronson <[email protected]> wrote: Recently an article about the proposal (link below to policy text and article) was posted to the RIPE policy list. This policy being discussed in AFRINIC is very interesting and different than any proposal I have seen so far. I thought you all might be interested in reading the text. It basically restricts access to IP addresses to governments who shut down Internet access. https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01 The article about the proposal is here https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/12/no_ip_addresses_for_countries/ Enjoy! ----Cathy {Ô,Ô} (( )) ◊ ◊ _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). 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