In message <[email protected]>, Michael Peddemors <[email protected]> wrote:
>... >There is a solution to that, SWIP to the ISP 'rwhois' server(s) which >have the ability to provide 'rwhois' date down to the /32. >... >While the rules make it clear, that of course this isn't for every CPE >device, having the owner listed, and of course that wouldn't probably >fly with most european privacy laws... Just FYI -- That's rubbish. When it comes down to brass tacks and real-world pragmatics, the europeans, despite all of their bluster and bravado about "personal privacy", are very nearly as pragmatic as we are. For example, it is trivially easy, in most cases to get meaningful and useful WHOIS data for .EU and .DE domain names, even when those are allegedly registered to "natural persons". The europeans manage to mentally square this with their much ballyhooed emphasis on personal privacy via the fig leaf of hiding the data behind a captcha in each case. (I know, because not that long ago I was easily able to obtain the alleged name of an alleged German citizen who had allegedly registered a particular .DE domain name that was being used to distribute jihadi videos.) The same pragmatic considerations have also, thankfully, taken precedence within the context of the whole "EU-US Privacy Shield" bruhaha: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-216_en.htm You can be sure that any time you see the terms "ombudsperson" and/or "robust enforcement" within any governmentally-issued statement, such as the one just above, that it is all a PR smokescreen being used to delude the public at large into beliveing anything other than the truth, which is that the status quo is being preserved. And indeed as the New York Times reported: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/03/technology/us-europe-safe-harbor-data-deal.html "European officials on Tuesday agreed to a deal with the United States that would let Google, Amazon and thousands of other businesses continue moving people's digital data, including social media posts and financial information, back and forth across the Atlantic..." My only point is that if push ever came to shove, and if ARIN ever made a rule stating that (for all ARIN IP space) rwhois records for IPv4 space, down to the /32, would henceforth be required, even if they explicitly named "natural persons", then the europeans would grumble and pound their fists on the table, but at the end of the day they would fall into line and permit it, all while noting their strenuous objections, for the record, of course. But of course, this is all irrelevant, since ARIN shall certainly never make any such rule, helpful though such a thing might be, e.g. to law enforcement, to spammer hunters, and even to those ordinary consumers who are daily defrauded out of their hard-earned cash by this month's crop of fast-talking hucksters with slick web sites. >If a person wants to 'speak' for his use of an IP resource, he/they >should expect that in order to find out if he/they can speak to that >usage, they should be listed in the public record as the operator of >that space. Yes. The analogy I already put forward is the vehicle license plate. If you're going to drive around on streets that -the public- paid for, then you gotta have one, and your petty and personal gripes about your "loss of privacy" be damned. But this is the point in the conversation where some provider(s) always pipes up and says "Yeabut -we- fully paid for -our- infrastructure, so it isn't a ``public'' resource that's being used, and thus, nobody has a right to tell us what to do, na na na na na!" Even leaving aside the fact that, as a matter of historical record, all these same folks have effectively built their businesses and perofitability on the backs of the original *government funded* Arpanet research, it should not and cannot escape anyone's notice or attention that the Internet doesn't exactly qualify as a ``niche'' industry that only affects a small segment of society anymore. Thus, at some point there may come a day when many such parochial and private interests may no longer be sustainable, e.g. in the face of the ongoing, growing, and daily festival of hacking, cracking, and fraud that has become the modern Internet. Regards, rfg _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
