Agreed: this proposal is a very bad idea for many reasons, and I would encourage the AC to abandon it prior to the next public policy meeting.
If you're reading this message on PPML, feel like this policy is generally a bad idea, but haven't commented on it yet: please do. The AC needs to hear clearly from the community that a draft policy is a bad idea, either from PPML or from a public policy meeting, before they'll generally feel comfortable abandoning a draft policy for lack of community support. In the absence of such clarity on PPML, this would likely go to the PPM as a draft policy for discussion there, which would be a waste of everyone's time IMO. -Scott On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > On Aug 18, 2017, at 05:14 , David Huberman <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I am a US-based company and I operate a network on multiple continents. >> > >> > I need to be able to move space from my home RIR of ARIN to other >> regions as I expand my network overseas. >> > >> > The current policy that has been in effect for many years allows me to >> operate my network properly -- using ARIN blocks in ARIN, APNIC blocks in >> APNIC, and RIPE blocks in RIPE. The policy is predictable and I can plan >> network growth around it. >> > >> > If this proposal passes, it will shut off transfers between ARIN and >> APNIC. This will hurt my business's finances. We purchased addresses in >> the ARIN region wth the intention of moving them to APNIC in the future. We >> did so because the size blocks we needed were not available in the APNIC >> region. So now we are talking about hurting my business for ... what >> reason? How do network operations benefit from this proposal? >> >> Currently, there are certain registries that are operating like roach >> motels for IP addresses. KR-NIC, CN-NIC are examples. >> > > There is no evidence that this presents anything more than a theoretical > problem, in fact I went and looked at APNICs transfer logs; > > https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-resources/transfer- > resources/transfer-logs/ > or > http://ftp.apnic.net/transfers/apnic/ > > I found out of 281 transfers from ARIN to APNIC, there were 2 to KR and 15 > to CN, and the 2 to KR were /22s and all the transfers to CN appear to be > cloud providers from the best I can tell. There were also another 22 > transfers from APNIC to ARIN, for a total of 303 transfers between APNIC > and ARIN. > > You want to break 94% of the transfers between APNIC and ARIN because you > don't like 6% of them. > > AfriNIC is discussing a similar proposal and a similar proposal was >> discussed in LACNIC. >> > > Help me understand this, we are going to break transfers to APNIC in hopes > that ArfNIC and LACNIC won't pass a policy? Please explain how you expect > that to work. > > >> It is hoped that by implementing this policy it will put pressure on >> those registries to be more cooperative with the global community in >> allowing bi-directional transfers. >> >> That is how it helps network operations. Admittedly, it’s a short-term >> pain for a longer term gain, but that is the intent. >> > > In my opinion the cure you propose is fare worse than the disease you seek > to remedy. This policy will seriously damage what seems like a mostly well > functioning system, primarily to influence a decision that is independent > of the result. > > I cannot support this policy. > > Thanks. > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:[email protected] > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> > =============================================== > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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