These are my sentiments also>>> "I am not convinced that it should be ARIN's role to correct perceived global RIR framework imbalances. We currently have a working policy strategy in this area, and I think we should stick with it for now."
Orin Roberts ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rudolph Daniel Sent: September-07-17 12:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] policy proposal 2017-4 removal of reciprocity requirements I oppose the proposed policy. Quoting Chris Woodfield (?) where Afrinic and Lacnic wind up transferring enough space to push their totals over the average but are still permitted to transfer space. if that were to happen, it would require a subsequent policy change to keep that imbalance from growing worse. end quote In addition, I am not convinced that it should be ARIN's role to correct perceived global RIR framework inbalances? We currently have a working policy strategy in this area, and I think we should stick with it for now. rd On Sep 7, 2017 9:39 AM, <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to mailto:[email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailto:[email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at mailto:[email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ARIN-PPML digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers (Michael Winters) 2. Re: Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers (Kevin Blumberg) 3. Re: Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers (Mike Burns) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:21:01 +0000 From: Michael Winters <mailto:[email protected]> To: "mailto:[email protected]"; <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Message-ID: <mailto:947590f72de642d690bb464342a2e...@kz-mail01.manifold.edwardrosekzoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I am opposed to this policy. From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Woodfield Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:19 PM To: Cj Aronson <mailto:[email protected]> Cc: mailto:[email protected] Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers This policy proposal seems, to me, as an attempt to correct a historical imbalance in the distribution of IPv4 resources to various RIRs, since the vast majority of legacy space - which, to my eyes, it seems that much of the transfer supply is originating from - is in the ARIN region. Given that, this policy only makes sense up to the point that such imbalance still exists. If we simply named the target RIRs, we could result in a (arguably theoretical) situation where Afrinic and Lacnic wind up transferring enough space to push their totals over the average but are still permitted to transfer space. if that were to happen, it would require a subsequent policy change to keep that imbalance from growing worse. As such, I support as written and would argue against an approach that targets specific RIRs by name. -C On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Cj Aronson <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Okay so this formula.. does it just give us Afrinic and Lacnic right? So why don't we just say that? Since there are only 5 RIRs it seems that maybe a formula isn't needed? {?,?} (( )) ? ? On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:35 PM, ARIN <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: The following has been revised: * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Revised text is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration * Technically Sound * Supported by the Community The PDP can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html Regards, Sean Hopkins Policy Analyst American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Version Date: 6 September 2017 Problem Statement: AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the operators in that region. ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context). ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities have different needs than we do. We should recognize that: - network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the market; - have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and - we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space than ARIN does. Policy statement: Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4: Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal inter-RIR transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory less than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs. Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem statement. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (mailto:[email protected]<mailto:mailto:[email protected]>). 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URL: <http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20170907/ba57cf2e/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:30:22 +0000 From: Kevin Blumberg <mailto:[email protected]> To: "mailto:[email protected]"; <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Message-ID: <mailto:7E7773B523E82C478734E793E58F69E7A52773A8@SBS2011.thewireinc.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Are there active polices in the other regions that rely on this policy? I understand there have been discussions, however I don't know what the status is/was. Thanks, Kevin Blumberg -----Original Message----- From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ARIN Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:36 PM To: mailto:[email protected] Subject: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers The following has been revised: * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Revised text is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration * Technically Sound * Supported by the Community The PDP can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html Regards, Sean Hopkins Policy Analyst American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Version Date: 6 September 2017 Problem Statement: AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the operators in that region. ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context). ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities have different needs than we do. We should recognize that: - network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the market; - have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and - we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space than ARIN does. Policy statement: Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4: Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal inter-RIR transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory less than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs. Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem statement. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (mailto:[email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact mailto:[email protected] if you experience any issues. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 09:39:02 -0400 From: "Mike Burns" <mailto:[email protected]> To: "'Kevin Blumberg'" <mailto:[email protected]>, <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Message-ID: <030f01d327de$ab148cb0$013da610$@http://iptrading.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Kevin, LACNIC will be presented with a one-way policy proposal in Montevideo in a few weeks. It has failed to reach consensus twice but was returned to the list, so it will be voted on again. https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2017-2 Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Blumberg Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:30 AM To: mailto:[email protected] Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Are there active polices in the other regions that rely on this policy? I understand there have been discussions, however I don't know what the status is/was. Thanks, Kevin Blumberg -----Original Message----- From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ARIN Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:36 PM To: mailto:[email protected] Subject: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers The following has been revised: * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Revised text is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration * Technically Sound * Supported by the Community The PDP can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html Regards, Sean Hopkins Policy Analyst American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers Version Date: 6 September 2017 Problem Statement: AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the operators in that region. ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context). ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities have different needs than we do. We should recognize that: - network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the market; - have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and - we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space than ARIN does. Policy statement: Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4: Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal inter-RIR transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory less than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs. Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem statement. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (mailto:[email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact mailto:[email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (mailto:[email protected]). 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