Re: Milton To correct potential imbalances of what Milton? Can't be address space surely...that Arin is correcting, you...but I'm happy to listen.
rd On Sep 7, 2017 1:27 PM, "Mueller, Milton L" <[email protected]> wrote: > I support this proposal. > > I am scratching my head at the apparent lack of logic in this claim: > > In addition, I am not convinced that it should be ARIN's role to correct > perceived global RIR framework inbalances? > > The reciprocity requirement is the policy that makes it ARIN’s role to > correct potential imbalances, not this policy. We need to remove those > requirements. > > > > > > Dr. Milton L Mueller > > Professor, School of Public Policy <http://spp.gatech.edu/> > > Georgia Institute of Technology > > Internet Governance Project > > http://internetgovernance.org/ > > > > > > > > We currently have a working policy strategy in this area, and I think we > should stick with it for now. > rd > > > > On Sep 7, 2017 9:39 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ARIN-PPML digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for > Inter-RIR Transfers (Michael Winters) > 2. Re: Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for > Inter-RIR Transfers (Kevin Blumberg) > 3. Re: Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for > Inter-RIR Transfers (Mike Burns) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:21:01 +0000 > From: Michael Winters <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity > Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers > Message-ID: > <[email protected]. > edwardrosekzoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I am opposed to this policy. > > From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris > Woodfield > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:19 PM > To: Cj Aronson <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity > Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers > > This policy proposal seems, to me, as an attempt to correct a historical > imbalance in the distribution of IPv4 resources to various RIRs, since the > vast majority of legacy space - which, to my eyes, it seems that much of > the transfer supply is originating from - is in the ARIN region. > > Given that, this policy only makes sense up to the point that such > imbalance still exists. If we simply named the target RIRs, we could result > in a (arguably theoretical) situation where Afrinic and Lacnic wind up > transferring enough space to push their totals over the average but are > still permitted to transfer space. if that were to happen, it would require > a subsequent policy change to keep that imbalance from growing worse. > > As such, I support as written and would argue against an approach that > targets specific RIRs by name. > > -C > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Cj Aronson <[email protected]<mailto:cja@ > daydream.com>> wrote: > > Okay so this formula.. does it just give us Afrinic and Lacnic right? So > why don't we just say that? Since there are only 5 RIRs it seems that > maybe a formula isn't needed? > > > {?,?} > (( )) > ? ? > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:35 PM, ARIN <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > The following has been revised: > > * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR > Transfers > > Revised text is below and can be found at: > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html > > You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will > evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft > policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated > in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: > > * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration > * Technically Sound > * Supported by the Community > > The PDP can be found at: > https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html > > Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html > > Regards, > > Sean Hopkins > Policy Analyst > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > > Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR > Transfers > > Version Date: 6 September 2017 > > Problem Statement: > > AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer > proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows > network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and > transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the > operators in that region. > > ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated > that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such > one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word > reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to > transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context). > > ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities > have different needs than we do. We should recognize that: > > - network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the > market; > > - have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and > > - we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to > LACNIC and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address > space than ARIN does. > > Policy statement: > > Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4: > > Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal > inter-RIR transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total > inventory less than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among > all of the RIRs. > > Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR > transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem > statement. > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]<mailto:ARI > [email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues. > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]<mailto:ARI > [email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues. > > > ________________________________ > > ________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/ > attachments/20170907/ba57cf2e/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:30:22 +0000 > From: Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity > Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers > Message-ID: > <7E7773B523E82C478734E793E58F69E7A52773A8@SBS2011.thewireinc.local > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Are there active polices in the other regions that rely on this policy? I > understand there have been discussions, however I don't know what the > status is/was. > > Thanks, > > Kevin Blumberg > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ARIN > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement > for Inter-RIR Transfers > > The following has been revised: > > * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR > Transfers > > Revised text is below and can be found at: > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html > > You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will > evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft > policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated > in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: > > * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration > * Technically Sound > * Supported by the Community > > The PDP can be found at: > https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html > > Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html > > Regards, > > Sean Hopkins > Policy Analyst > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > > Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR > Transfers > > Version Date: 6 September 2017 > > Problem Statement: > > AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer > proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows > network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and > transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the > operators in that region. > > ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated > that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such > one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word > reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to > transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context). > > ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities > have different needs than we do. We should recognize that: > > - network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the > market; > > - have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and > > - we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to > LACNIC and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address > space than ARIN does. > > Policy statement: > > Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4: > > Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal > inter-RIR transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total > inventory less than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among > all of the RIRs. > > Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR > transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem > statement. > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 09:39:02 -0400 > From: "Mike Burns" <[email protected]> > To: "'Kevin Blumberg'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity > Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Kevin, > > LACNIC will be presented with a one-way policy proposal in Montevideo in a > few weeks. It has failed to reach consensus twice but was returned to the > list, so it will be voted on again. > > https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2017-2 > > Regards, > Mike > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin > Blumberg > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:30 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity > Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers > > Are there active polices in the other regions that rely on this policy? I > understand there have been discussions, however I don't know what the > status > is/was. > > Thanks, > > Kevin Blumberg > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ARIN > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement > for Inter-RIR Transfers > > The following has been revised: > > * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR > Transfers > > Revised text is below and can be found at: > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html > > You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will > evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft > policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated > in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles > are: > > * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration > * Technically Sound > * Supported by the Community > > The PDP can be found at: > https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html > > Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html > > Regards, > > Sean Hopkins > Policy Analyst > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > > Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR > Transfers > > Version Date: 6 September 2017 > > Problem Statement: > > AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer > proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows > network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and > transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the > operators > in that region. > > ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated > that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such > one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word > reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to > transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context). > > ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities > have different needs than we do. We should recognize that: > > - network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the > market; > > - have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and > > - we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC > and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space > than > ARIN does. > > Policy statement: > > Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4: > > Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal > inter-RIR > transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory > less > than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs. > > Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR > transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem > statement. > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Public > Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Public > Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > ------------------------------ > > End of ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7 > ***************************************** > > >
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